Yes, I agree. The other day, I was listening to a talk on our ABC radio, and in passing the commentator referred to the US elections. Of Barack Obama, he said, “He’s authentic”.

I don’t think any candidate can say precisely in advance how they will handle the major issues that confront us today, or may arise in the future. Although Obama’s lack of managerial experience is a valid point, it seems to me that on balance his other qualities make him a capable leader.

Tethys

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-- Harry S. Truman

Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”




Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com

NoisyRoom.net: Courage is the price that Life exacts for granting peace. Amelia Earhart p=2945

http://www.perspectives.com/forums/v...05&forum_id=71





A Michigan Muslim terrorist speaks out :

Michigan Muslim leader Hanafi Abdul-Malik calls for the “physical death” of those who “defile” the Prophet Mohamed

February 22, 2006: Michigan Muslim leader Hanafi Abdul-Malik calls for the “physical death” of those who “defile” the Prophet Mohamed

A Muslim leader of a Michigan mosque with links to a man who taught confessed shoe-bomber Richard Reid at the Finsbury Park Mosque, has called for the “physical death” of those who “defile” the Prophet Mohamed and other Prophets of Islam, describing it as “blasphemy”.

Hanafi Abdul-Malik, Imam of the downtown Flint Michigan mosque Muslim House made the statements to a reporter for the Flint Journal.

The article in the Journal quotes Abdul-Malik as saying:

"Muslims respect God and all his prophets," Adbul-Malik said. "We would not bring harm to any of them."

"For anyone to defile any of them as has been done to the prophet Muhammad is blasphemy," he said. "We think the consequence for doing so is physical death."

This isn't the first Muslim House Imam to make controversial statements.

Another Muslim House Imam has acknowledged that he lectured at the Finsbury Park Mosque and the two British Muslims involved in suicide bombings in Israel, Asif Hanif and Omar Sharif, and the ‘shoe bomber’ Richard Reid attended his lectures.

Imam Ramee Mohamed sought asylum in the UK in 2004, claiming he feared persecution should he return to the US. He was arrested in the UK in April 2004, and deported back to the US.

An article published April 26, 2004, in the Guardian UK said:

An article published on the front page of last week's Sunday Express, headlined "Maddest asylum plea yet", claimed Mr Muhammed taught Richard Reid - the so-called "shoe bomber"- and had links with the radical preacher Abu Hamza..

Imam Muhammed claims the article is untrue and has complained to the Press Complaints Commission. He admits Richard Reid attended a lecture of his at the Finsbury Park mosque, but says that was six years ago and that he was lecturing on brotherhood. He says he knows Omar Bakri Muhammed, leader of the fringe group al-Muhajiroun, but has no links with him.

By June 2005, Imam Ramee was back in Chicago at the “Takin it to the Streets 2005” Festival. Since returning to the US, Imam Ramee, a former Marine, has been interviewed by the FBI and placed on a list of people suspected of having terrorist links. (This has prevented him from returning to his old job as a prison officer and bans him from leaving the US.)

On July 25, 2005, Muslim House Imam Ramee Mohamed posted the following information on the website of the “Jamaatul Qadir International Educational Trust”, an organization that was run by Imam Ramee. (The website has been removed from the internet, but the contents remain in the Google Cache.)

Western Goverments seeks to lock-up Ulema that speak the truth Did Usama order the Muslims to fight or did the Quran, which is the pure unchanged words of ALLAH SWT ?

But Imam Ramee continues to preach his brand of Islam to the Muslims of America. Now one of his colleagues is calling for the death of anyone who insults the name of the Prophet Mohamed.

And now one of his colleagues is calling for the death of anyone who "defiles" the prophet Mohamed.


BE QUIET UNTIL YOU HAVE THE STRENGTH
"Be patient with unbelievers until you have strength" (86.17).

WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)

CONQUER CONTRIES AND TAKE THE SPOILS
Sura 33
"And he bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions, together with land you have never trodden" (33.27) .







American Muslim's video and website promoting jihad in America:

The Internet Jihadi | New York Times Video

Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”





This is only one of many Muslims in America who promotes terrorism and the overthrow of our constitution.

hfghj23458654fgha's Xanga Site



Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com




A Voice of reason


Sue Myrick, R-N.C :

Americans must be concerned -- alarmed. That is what I am referring to when I say that the administration has not explained who we are fighting and (where we are fighting them). "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" is not the whole story. It is amazing that we actually have the enemy's playbook, yet for some reason we don't want to seriously confront the threat we are facing.

The radical Islamofascists have told us how they intend to infiltrate all areas of our society and use the freedoms that are guaranteed under our Constitution to eventually Islamize our country, eliminate our Constitution and enact Shariah law. I know that it sounds a bit fanatical, but it's true.

In 1998, Osama bin Laden declared war on the U.S. What did we do? Nothing. Then he attacked again and again around the world before finally striking inside the U.S. Yet, rather than confront the threat head on and declare war on radical Islamofascists, we seek to placate the threat at home by saying radicals have hijacked Islam. We are too politically correct today. We don't want to frighten the American people.

There are definitely passages in the Quran that promote or condone violent jihad. However, you can also find passages in the Bible which promote violence. I think that the president is failing the American people by sugarcoating the problem we are facing and only making things worse for the future.

Over the last 25 years, there has been a concerted effort on the part of radical Islamists to infiltrate our major institutions in America. They have done that by funding professors' projects in our colleges and universities. Then, they influence what is taught by making the program dependent on their yearly donations. Several classes have graduated and are now in the media, the judicial system, teaching in our schools and colleges, various branches of our government, even in our military. They are masterful at manipulating minds to fit their purposes.

We need to shed the veil of political correctness that shields government officials from speaking out against them. Until we do that, we do not have a chance of marginalizing them. As soon as someone broaches the idea that the Quran has violent passages, they get shot down as Islamophobes and racists.

Rather than debate these points, groups like CAIR seek to silence the debate. The American people deserve to see and hear the debate, but most people in positions of influence are afraid to say anything.

From the information that I have heard reported publicly, there are sleeper cells inside the U.S. . . . Hezbollah sleeper cells, al-Qaida sleeper cells, maybe others.
Congressional Paul Revere Warns Nation About Islamofascist Threat

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

If you read his books and the various statements that he has made, it just burns me up. He stated that he was 'embarassed' by his white mother (who raised him alone, and sent him to a fine university after his Muslim father deserted them and by his loving white grandparents who helped raise him)
He also describes how in college he disdains running with whites. Then there's his rascist 'cover church' run by a raical black supremacist who's chose buddies with radical Islamists.
Some American ideal to be put in the President's chair, right?



Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, stolen goods, little girls, and money. He was a liar and a terrorist.

Barack Obama; "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction

Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com







Official website of Muslim terrorist family: (Opens with a bomb blast...includes: 'the way to get Sharia law', the need for Sharia law', survival and war tecniques)

The Official Website of The al-K

Barack Obama; "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"

Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com







Part of the reason many Americans don’t appreciate the significance of Osama bin Laden’s declarations of war against the United States and the West is because they are completely oblivious to the in-roads radical Islam has made within the United States. Radical Islamists (i.e., Islamofascists, Wahhabis) understand that the conflict must take place on multiple fronts: militarily, economically, diplomatically and ideologically. Because they understand the complexity of the confrontation and the ability of the West to adapt to challenges – albeit lethargically – they employ multiple tactics in their aggressive pursuit of victory. The West’s addiction to sensationalism, epitomized by our limited attention to detail, unless it plays in the superficial 24-hour news cycle, facilitates the successful infiltration of radical ideology into Western society.
The New Media Journal | Understanding the Wahhabist Infiltration of America by Frank Salvato

Barack Obama; "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"

Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com






Jihad against America
Ollie North Narates -with Walid Shoebat, Wafa Sultan & others
Part 1 YouTube - Wake-Up!...and Smell the Threat (Part 1 of 4)
Part 2 YouTube - Wake-Up!...and Smell the Threat (Part 2 of 4)
Part 3 YouTube - Wake-Up!...and Smell the Threat (Part 3 of 4)
Part 4 YouTube - Wake-Up!...and Smell the Threat (Part 4 of 4)

Muslims destroying Sweden
YouTube - Welcome to Sweden

Muslims in NYC desecrate U.S. flag- preach violence against U.S
YouTube - Radical Islamics in New York City desecrate an American Flag

Muslim riots in Britian...promising annihilation to EU and US
YouTube - Islam Riots in Britain



Barack Obama; "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction"

Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

What we must not forget, we will elect a president, not a magician. And we are humanbeings and we don't have magical sphere to tell what kind of a president, if elected, Obama will turn out to be in the next four year. History makes people, and people make history. Obama has many good qualities which lead me to guess he will be a better president than the others but I know I will let history shape him.

Obama's calm and wise stance against any slanders and defamation by some mainstream media, including Fox news, is just another sign of experience. It is mainly this firm posture that helped him surge in polls.

Obama is paying no price for aggression. - By John Dickerson - Slate Magazine

Do you think Oprah's role in Obama's campaign will be a constructive one? How could she be of a great help for his campaign?

My idear is: Oprah could take Obama's messages to deeper layers of women voters, especially, of the Black American women.

I stand by each and every statement that I have made.
Yes, racism IS alive and well in America- REVERSE RACISM.
You only have to read Obama's books to see it. He infers in his books that he was 'embarassed' by his white mother and white grandparents who raised him and sent him to a fine university after his Muslim father deserted them. He seems to idolize his black Muslim father.
He also infers that he disliked whites and avoided running with them in college.
He chose a church to join (probably to cover his Muslim roots) that is racist and bigotted.
(look up his church doctrine on the net)
His church is run by a black supremacist with close ties to radical Muslims.
All this proves distain and racism towards the white population.
All any interested reader has to do is research this. It's all there in Obama's books and speeches and in his church's doctrine.
We need a president with equal regard for ALL races.

I do not hold Bush in high regard. Just a few things I disapprove of: I disapprove of his apologies for Islam.
I disapprove of this failure to educate America on the dangers of radical Islam In America.
I disagree with his pronouncement that 'we all worship the same God'. We do not worship 'Allah.'
I disaprove of his allowing UNCONTROLLED migration into this country of Muslims, and failure to control those already here on expired visas, etc. As a result we have numerous terror cells here- not to mention the Muslims who murdered 3,000 innocent people on 9/11.
I disaprove of his failure to secure our borders.
I DO appraud the present government's attempts to fight radical Islam, but I feel that the fight should be centered on Ben Laden and his territory.
I do feel that Bush is excusing Saudi one of the prime instigators in world terror. Research on the net 'Freedom House- Saudi hate spred in U.S. funded mosques.'

I stand by my statement that Islam is a racist, bigotted 'religion". If one doubts this fact, read the Koran.

There is nothing more racist and bigotted than the Koran.
It instructs its followers to hate Christians and Jews.
It instructs its followers to kill/convert all unbelievers.
It instructs its followers to conquer the globe for Islam.
(read the Koran)

As far as Christian's violence vs Islamic violence:
Islam is the only religion that imposes it beliefs on others by 'convert or kill'.

When Christians perform acts of hate and terrorism they are going against the teachings of Christ (and are widely condemned for doing so); whereas when Islamic terrorists perform similar acts, they are in harmony with the teachings of Muhammad, and are praised as martyrs.

I am not a right wing fanatic nor am I particularly religious. These views come from extensive research and common sense.

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

I disagree with your statement of Obama having as much experience as the former Presidents, especially managerial experience. Please elaborate what managerial experience he has had (beyond being one of 100 Senators sitting in a hall bullshitting). Has he held and stood out in a leadership positon in a government office (Mayor, Governor, Government Agency, etc) or has he managed a succesful private company of any size?

I get that Obama has a lot of support for his ideas. I also agree that many of the other condidates do not have a great deal of managerial experience either. The basic issue I have is that both political parties need to start looking at people who have proven managerial success, a key requirement for for a successful President. Being an idea person is great, being able to effectively execute on those ideas is critical. We need national leadership, not national politics.

If the Democrats like Obama, get him some managerial leadership experience (Governor???). That experience will make him a stronger Presidential candidate in the future.

Illegal aliens are just that, illegal. They take our jobs, our tax dollars pay for their upkeep and they bring more violent crime into the U.S.


Obama said the recent Senate immigration debate "was both ugly and racist in a way we haven't see since the struggle for civil rights."
Obama told La Raza that the mass protests lately for immigration rights of Mexicans is equal in greatness to the civil rights protest of the past.
La Raza is a radical pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland.



Obama solicits La Raza backing http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...107230063/1001
cbs4.com - Clinton, Obama Address La Raza Conference http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=41628
Barack Obama


Omama supports La Raza's, the "DREAM Act," which would mandate states to offer in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens -- thus providing them with benefits not available to U.S. citizens from other states.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...plate=nextpage http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin......5&num=93899


"I will stand with the Muslims and protect them.." Obama. Barack Obama

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

Repetition of points does not make them more true. I have refuted each of your accusations. While you attempted to dismiss my refutations, you did not, and cannot, answer them.

Remove the lies and your posts become nothing more the white supremecist spam.

National Council of La Raza: Viewpoints

We better not take her seriously. I wish she is really as beautiful as she looks in her profile photo. Because that's the only managable and considerable substance she ever has.

Let make her even more mariginal.

Bush was a governor before he was elected president and this has not made him, yet, a better person in handling issues skillfully. Maybe circumstances have not let Obama show his managerial skills; but this does not mean he lacks it. People is believeing him and his talent, that's what really matters.

Yesterday, the Washington Post came out with a helpful article by Michael Kinsley, clarifying just what the term "experience" means and what kinds of experiences are essential for a potential President of the United States.

Some excerpts:

I don't post here very often, but the last time I did I was more conservative and Republican. Well, quite a bit has changed since I have done so, and here is a reason why...

As we begin to approach the end of the first decade of the second millennium, it is of my opinion that no one realizes just how pivotal a time we are in right now. The issues we face today, depending on how they are approached, can be the deciding factor into whether or not we want to reach another millennium, and I do not feel that they are being approached the way they ought to be at this current moment in time.
There is the looming energy crisis, which has the potential to be the biggest crisis in our nation’s history. It is becoming harder and harder for the average middle class kid to receive the necessary education to make a living in life (in terms of cost). We are in the midst of our fifth year of one of the most misguided wars in our nation’s history. We have a potential disaster brewing in the Middle Eastern region of our world. The imminent danger to our planet Earth grows slowly, yet in a unique way rapidly, each day we turn a cold shoulder to that problem. The race to be king of the new technological age is heating up, and we find ourselves far behind in our current status compared to other potential power houses like China. Problems with Health Care and Social Security are posing a severe threat to the American way of life. Our nation’s leaders, and our world’s leaders are becoming more and more power hungry, and even worse, corrupt, tarnishing the face of the human race in the eyes of those around us. Constantly the threat of terrorism is at a supreme height, and dangers are creeping closer and closer every day we turn a cold shoulder to the area we must concentrate on to protect this country.
Now more than ever someone must step up. Now more than ever somebody must advance the human race into the depths that it has sought to reach for so long. Now more than ever we as a people, we as one voice must stand up and protect not ourselves, not our friends and our families, but instead all of those around us—those we do not like, those we do not know and those not yet on this earth—and in turn we will offer the most ultimate protection to ourselves and those that we care most about.
The question is not whether this will happen, but the question is when. Who is going to be the next courageous person to step up and lead us where we have never been lead before? These are the people that have a profound impact on the world we know. These are the people we still talk about today, as we learn about the type of movements it takes to really make a difference in the world, and I cannot imagine the type of things they experienced through their respective fights for change in the world they knew. One of these men, Dr. Martin Luther King, called it the “fierce urgency of now,” which is already being referred to again by another leader today, in describing his motivation for the change he sought to make on the world.
These people did not accept the world for what it was. They did not just sit back and watch everything around them happen. In a way they were control freaks. They made sure that destiny did not overpower the things that happened to them. Obviously, you can spar with destiny only so much, but it is the motivation that is significant, and this destiny cannot touch that. It really all boils down to the question that Ted Kennedy eulogized for his brother Robert Kennedy: “Why not?” The brother of these two, President John Kennedy called for “men that dream things that never were” in describing what he thought could change the world.
All these things really mean the same thing. These brothers truly are a great inspiration, along with their words, and are one of the few great leaders we have had in the past century. They represented a new generation that challenged the things that needed to be challenged at their time, and for a short period of time, change really did occur and we benefited in the long-run as a result. However, I believe we did not go far enough in that period, and it was brought on by uncontrollable factors. Destiny had finally caught up with pure self-motivation and prevailed in a detrimental blow to the causes society was pursuing.
The death of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy really did put a block in our road to change in my opinion. Lucky for us there were still leaders among the powerless who were able to make changes for those they loved and for those they related to. What they did not do however, was change the way we live, and that is what the three leaders previously mentioned were good at. Not only did they represent and ‘do’ change, they inspired change, and that in its true effect is what we need today. I am afraid that without it, things will not turn out the same way they did the first time change was stalled.
Being the political junkie I am, I think that the read block that erected itself as a result of the death of these men is represented by the 1968 Presidential Race. Instead of the possibility of having Robert F. Kennedy, who is aforementioned as one of the leaders of the change at this time, leading our glorious Republic into the seventies, we ended up with the old-school Richard Nixon instead. Well, we all know where that went.
The Nixon presidency was really the beginning of the end for all the change that had been pursued in the decade of the sixties, and in my opinion, it still shapes our politics today. There is no question that Nixon had some qualities that were good for this country (with foreign policy in mind), but what it did ultimately was separate our country into two different types of people, and we still see that today.
Instead of having compromising moderate leaders in charge of our country’s direction like we did in the middle of the 1900’s, we ended up with two different extremes—the left and the right wings. This has created nothing but fights and scandals on all different levels of our government, and it has stalled our nation’s progression as a result. While other countries have continued to explore new ideals and ideas, we have been stuck in a generational civil war for the past several decades, and we have suffered as a result.
The time to fix this problem is beginning to run out, and as a nation we must do something about it fast. Instead of fighting over what we want to happen, it is important that we begin to fight for what our country needs to happen. It is that one voice that can stand up and really make a difference for our nation. By exploring what is best for everybody around us, we will ultimately be making things better for ourselves as a result. The truth is that it all goes in circle and is based upon the simple idea that by helping others you are really helping yourself.
This one voice has arrived. It is up to us as a country whether or not we want to accept him for what he represents or if we want to choose to take the similar route that we have taken for the past four decades. We can delve into making the difference that our nation seeks so greatly or we can choose to continue down the steady yet prohibitive path we are so familiar with. We can side with greatness or we can accept mediocrity we are so used to. I cannot vote in 2008, but I know, without a doubt, who I want to vote for in 2012. His name: Barack Obama and for my sake, your sake and most of all our country’s sake, I hope I can do so.

I will also start a thread with this so you can all critique it the way you wish.

First we have endless crude posts about Muslims and then this trash - presenting a parade of quotes from the Bible entirely out of context, the intent of which is to create misunderstanding and prejudice.

This really is repellent, ugly stuff - even by the standards of this forum. I expected a thread about Obama's campaign and found this rubbish. Weird.

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Bring me my Bow of burning gold
Bring me my Arrows of desire
Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold
Bring me my Chariot of fire!

William Blake