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Donkey_Left · #16 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Cyberella

Doesn't Obama's Islamic background bother you at all??

Not nearly as much as Bush's Christian background.

mudwhistle · #17 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by SonofaHun

There’s a lot of time left before the election, and I’m not ready to make up my mind about candidates this early in the race. But from the get go, I’ve hoped Obama would emerge from this thing as the victor. In other words, I WANT to want to vote for him, and hope he gives me and others reasons to do so. Not so much because of what he says, what he promises, or where he stands on issues, but because of the striking change in the course of our political system he would represent just by winning. I was planning to break down his potential more specifically, but then I came across the following opinion piece that mirrors my own thoughts. I think the author gives a balanced assessment of the man—both qualities and flaws.

I’m looking for a substantial change in direction that marks the beginning of a new political era. Like the author of the piece, I think Obama is the only candidate who has the potential of bringing this about. Anybody else feel the same way?

Much more (long article)

Change for change's sake is not always good.

Sure, Obama represents change, but not for the good.

Sometimes it's hard to figure out if he's lost his mind or that he truely believes some of the stupid things he says.

I know some Democrats mean well and they are waiting for a good candidate, but as long as the far left has the party held hostage, you can forget about ever seeing anyone worth voting for anytime soon.

iamwhatiseem · #18 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Change for change's sake is not always good.

....I know some Democrats mean well and they are waiting for a good candidate, but as long as the far left has the party held hostage, you can forget about ever seeing anyone worth voting for anytime soon.

This pretty much sums it up.
As a lifelong Democrat I can tell you - it is getting reeeaaally hard to stay a Democrat and not wear a bag over your head.

Obama fits right into the "Progressive Democrats"...people who dismiss personal responsibility, dismiss the fact that people pretty much make the bed they lie in - and want to create huge-feel-good programs that do nothing more than damn near reward people for bad behavior.

Michael · #19 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I know some Democrats mean well and they are waiting for a good candidate, but as long as the far left has the party held hostage, you can forget about ever seeing anyone worth voting for anytime soon.

The far left? Come on. Did you not notice the results of the '06 midterms, that the Democrats steamrolled Republicans with centrists?

Cyberella · #20 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Michael

So basically, he's a Muslim at heart because someone else says he is? Get real.

Dozens of people from his past have said that he received Islam education in school and that he either was/is a Muslim.

Records show he did attend Muslim schools.

By Islamic law, if you are BORN a Muslim, you ARE a Muslim. There can be no changing. Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. This sentence is practiced wherever Muslims are in power and can practice it.

The statement of Allah’s Apostle (Muhammad), “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” (Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)

"..the one who turns away and disbelieves. Then Allâh will punish him with the greatest punishment. [Quran 88:21-24"

Obama has NOT denied being a Muslim.

Obama and staff go out of their way to cover up his Muslim past.

So? The Palestinian people are suffering. They get scapegoated as horrible people by the people who swept under the rug the blatant and intentional strike against the U.S.S. Liberty. The Israeli lobby, those who refuse to even think that Israelis could do anything wrong and that everything is the fault of the Palestinians, are full of idiots.

The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas, a political party that does not recognize Israel's sovereignty and is listed by several countries - including the United States - as a terrorist organization. The United States and other nations imposed restrictions on aid when Hamas gained power last year.
DesMoinesRegister.com

It couldnt have anything to do with Obama being from Illinois, could it?

http://www.hudson.org/files/publicat...Propoganda.pdf
http://www.nejattv.org/IA/ISLAM_IN_AMERICA.pdf

So, again, he's Muslim because someone else says he's a Muslim because his father was? Okay.

I have answered this.

Wow. So Obama went to a predominantly Muslim school. It couldnt have anything to do with Indonesia having the highest concentration of Muslims in the world...

It has everything to do with being born a Muslim and thus sent to Muslim schools.

You need to stock up on some more tinfoil

Typical response of those who cannot refute the facts.

Show me. Book, chapter, verse please.

Taqiyya and the Islamic Propaganda War :: Faith Freedom International :: Only Truth can set us free!
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cyberella · #21 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

Obama (cont,)

Show me. Book, chapter, verse please.[/QUOTE]

Taqiyya and the Islamic Propaganda War :: Faith Freedom International :: Only Truth can set us free!
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Meridious · #22 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

He can't win. And if he is on the ticket with Hillary, he will lose that as well.

This is not his year.

Cyberella · #23 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Not nearly as much as Bush's Christian background.

Oh, really? ".. nearly as much as Bush's CHRISTIAN religion" ?? You want to talk about religion? Lets put it in a little perspective:

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined. Crisis Magazine
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years. Lynching Statistics by Year
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. CAIN: Violence - Annual Deaths in Northern Ireland, by 'Status' of Person Killed, August 1969 to December 1995
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years. CAIN: Violence - Annual Deaths in Northern Ireland, by 'Status' of Person Killed, August 1969 to December 1995

Muslim influence-peddlers are selling something our Leftists are already pre-disposed to find pleasing: anti-Western, pro-Third World, pro-"oppressed"
Many of Islam's apologists say that Biblical violence is just as prevalent as Koranic violence, despite the rejection of violence in the New Testament. They ignore the fact that the concept of jihad is found only in Islam, which makes it uniquely, infinitely violent. They also ignore Islam's penalty for apostasy. No other faith calls for the death of apostates and no other faith calls for killing unbelievers.
Islam's entire 1400 year history has been one of unprecedented barbarity and its doctrine is immutable, unreformable.
Christians and Jews have progressed to a civilized society, Islamics are still mired in the 6th century.

Donkey_Left · #24 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

Even if you did know what Jihad was, you would still be entirely irrelevant.

Now, were we discussing Islam or Obama?

Cyberella · #25 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Even if you did know what Jihad was, you would still be entirely irrelevant.

Now, were we discussing Islam or Obama?

The two are inseparable. You're the one who brought up religion.

Michael · #26 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Dozens of people from his past have said that he received Islam education in school and that he either was/is a Muslim.

Records show he did attend Muslim schools.

Again, you'll have that when you live in a country where it's a predominantly Muslim country.

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By Islamic law, if you are BORN a Muslim, you ARE a Muslim. There can be no changing. Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. This sentence is practiced wherever Muslims are in power and can practice it.

Whoopee. He's still not a Muslim. He still does not abide by Muslim laws. Get over it.

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"..the one who turns away and disbelieves. Then Allâh will punish him with the greatest punishment. [Quran 88:21-24"

So that reminds me of John 3:16 -- "...whoever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life." That means that those who dont believe will suffer punishment. Sound familiar?

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Obama has NOT denied being a Muslim.

Oh really?

"I just want to be very clear and this is obviously in no way an insult to the Muslim community who I respect deeply but I want people to know who I am. I am a Christian. I am a member of Trinity United Church of Christ. I have been for 15 years. I have never practiced Islam and I think it’s important for people not to buy into these sort of fear tactics that people also often use during political games. People need to know the facts. These are the facts as I presented them and I hope that that at least does not become a reason for people not to want to vote for me,"

Try again.

SamInTheSouth · #27 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Michael

The far left? Come on. Did you not notice the results of the '06 midterms, that the Democrats steamrolled Republicans with centrists?

Yeah, they wised up and realized that was what they needed in order to win, but the leadership of the party is certainly not moderate. You have Howard Dean running the DNC. San Francisco Nancy is speaker of the House. Harry Reid, a moderate at one time who now does nothing but capitulate to the far left, is running the Senate.

Like iamwhatiseem, I was also a Democrat at one time and left the party four years because of what they had become. They stopped being the party of Truman and Kennedy and became the party of Marx and Lenin.

partofme · #28 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Cyberella

The two are inseparable. You're the one who brought up religion.

If you are as young as you look in the picture then obviously the younger generation still has it's bigotry. You may not like my use of that word but even if he was a Muslim the fact that you are putting down the entire religion and acting like all Muslims are Jihadists qualifies.

wphelan · #29 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by Cyberella

The two are inseparable. You're the one who brought up religion.

Didn't you orignally ask if Obama's Muslim background bothered anyone?

Michael · #30 (**permalink**) 11-10-2007

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Originally Posted by SamInTheSouth

Yeah, they wised up and realized that was what they needed in order to win, but the leadership of the party is certainly not moderate. You have Howard Dean running the DNC. San Francisco Nancy is speaker of the House. Harry Reid, a moderate at one time who now does nothing but capitulate to the far left, is running the Senate.

Dean is not a far-lefty. He's liberal on social issues (which is good), but he's very fiscally responsible. In 12 years as Governor Vermont had 11 years of balanced budgets that enabled Dean to cut income taxes more than once. He's very much a moderate.

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