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Old 11-25-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

Not knowing anything about party platforms, but from a foreign policy perspective, I think Obama could instigate some change for the better in Africa.

Under US leadership, the Europeans may actually cooperate and give the UN some funded mandates to promote the general welfare of that region, that could result in reducing migratory pressures coming from their own back yard.
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Old 11-25-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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First we have endless crude posts about Muslims and then this trash - presenting a parade of quotes from the Bible entirely out of context, the intent of which is to create misunderstanding and prejudice.

This really is repellent, ugly stuff - even by the standards of this forum. I expected a thread about Obama's campaign and found this rubbish. Weird.

He was just saying that the way people lived during Jesus's time is what Christians believe in today. The subjugation of women by Muslims is happening today but it does not exist in normal Christian homes.

Also, reading the Bible and taking it literally is totally wrong. Maybe someone who loves to do this should look up the definition of 'Parable'.

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par·a·ble /ˈpærəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
2. a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.
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Old 11-26-2007
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Re: Obama catering to illegal aliens

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"I will stand with the Muslims and protect them.." Obama./QUOTE]

Obama's stance toward different religious groups is impartial and respectful. If this bothers you, go back to Israel.

Has it ever bothered you that Cheney has always stood with the righ-wing fanatics and traitors like Jonathan Pollard?

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Old 11-26-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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The subjugation of women by Muslims is happening today but it does not exist in normal Christian homes.
Ignorance is bliss, right? I guess before finger-pointing others, we should look at our own "back"yards. Let me enlighten you a little bit:

One example:
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FACTS ABOUT VIOLENCE
Fact #1: 17.6 % of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. Of these, 21.6% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 32.4% were between the ages of 12 and 17. (Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)
If you can understand the figures-- the figures indicate that violence against women is widespread in the world, developped, underdevelopped; western, eastern.

Before abusing the dire facts about women for your own propoganda against Islam and the Muslim world, you should join the forces that work collectively to eradicate all kind of violence everywhere in the world.
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Old 11-26-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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[B]Barack Hussien Obama
First, write the name right, OK, you idiot. It is Hussein. Not Hussien.

Hussein? Mmmm. Did his name make Abraham Lincoln a Jewish just because he had the name of one of the Prophets, Prophet Abraham, who was a Jew?

There are so many Christian "Husseins" in Lebanon, anyway.

Does the name Jonathan make an American in the street a traitor and a spy only because he has the name of a Jewish traitor and spy that was found guilty and imprisoned, Jonathan Pollard?

Think about it, moron.
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Old 11-26-2007
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Think about it, moron.
Think about who you're talking to for a minute.
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Think about who you're talking to for a minute.
Maybe I really should. Sometimes it just goes beyond fanaticism when some people try to discredit [in vain] Obama just because of his middle name.
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

In Iowa, Obama's surprise surge in polls is a small sample of the bigger truth: That when Obama is focused on a area, he gets it. That's promising:

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Clinton and Obama switch roles in Iowa - Politico.com Print View
In a reversal of fortune, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is barnstorming Iowa with a front-runner's swagger while Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) scrambles like an underdog.

In ways big and small over the weekend, the two campaigns exuded a sense of switched identities - a dynamic driven by poll-driven perceptions that Clinton's sense of inevitability is slipping and Obama is riding a bit of a wave amid the Midwestern seas of grain.
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Old 11-26-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Bush was a governor before he was elected president and this has not made him, yet, a better person in handling issues skillfully. Maybe circumstances have not let Obama show his managerial skills; but this does not mean he lacks it. People is believeing him and his talent, that's what really matters.

Yesterday, the Washington Post came out with a helpful article by Michael Kinsley, clarifying just what the term "experience" means and what kinds of experiences are essential for a potential President of the United States.

Some excerpts:
Thanks Sheriff,

I think we will still have to agree to disagree.

I have read the excerpt and I agree that Obama can bring some different social perspectives with him. My criticism is not with Obama specifically but with many of the leading candidates, including Hillary. There still is no substitute for having managerial experience with proven sucess under pressure for a leadership position this important. I want a proven leader for President.

Am I the only one who thinks it's sad that the Political parties can't find people with both managerial leadership experience and great vision? These people have to exist.
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Old 11-26-2007
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Thanks Sheriff,

I think we will still have to agree to disagree.

I have read the excerpt and I agree that Obama can bring some different social perspectives with him. My criticism is not with Obama specifically but with many of the leading candidates, including Hillary. There still is no substitute for having managerial experience with proven sucess under pressure for a leadership position this important. I want a proven leader for President.

Am I the only one who thinks it's sad that the Political parties can't find people with both managerial leadership experience and great vision? These people have to exist.
Then perhaps you should consider Bush Jr.'s managerial career as a private business owner when forming an opinion that a proven leader is required for your choice of president. Then take a look at the largely ceremonial duties of a Texas governor. Follow that up with how he finally made his personal fortune. Sometimes experience has to be defined to determine if it's applicable to the criteria in forming an opinion.

Vision is not a political asset for other than the ability to say it for public consumption. Political office is all about following the rules, spoken and unspoken, with unquestionable loyalty. The ruling elite at all levels accepts nothing else. As an example, name me one politician you know who used only his/her own money to gain an elected federal office. I don't know it to be common at any political level. All democracies normally elect our representation from a very small selection of well-defined political parties with mostly subservient front people.
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Old 11-27-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Thanks Sheriff,

I think we will still have to agree to disagree.

I have read the excerpt and I agree that Obama can bring some different social perspectives with him. My criticism is not with Obama specifically but with many of the leading candidates, including Hillary. There still is no substitute for having managerial experience with proven sucess under pressure for a leadership position this important. I want a proven leader for President.

Am I the only one who thinks it's sad that the Political parties can't find people with both managerial leadership experience and great vision? These people have to exist.
Obama's stance on foreign policy showed his good judgement and strong intuition many times in his career. His early life in Hawaii and Indonesia as well as later travels to to his father's homeland in Kenya make me see Senator Obama as someone understands the world and the United State's role in it.

Just think how differently the world will see the US the moment Obama takes the oath of office. I think the whole country will be bursting with pride when we see the reaction that President Barack Obama will get on his first international travels. Aren't you tired of wincing with embarrassment every time our current President has a foreign trip?

Latest Zogby Poll: Zogby International

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When matched up with Republican candidate, Barack Obama beats every contender -- McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee, and Thompson. Here's the breakdown from Zogby:

Obama 45% McCain 38%

Obama 46% Giuliani 41%

Obama 46% Romney 40%

Obama 46% Huckabee 40%

Obama 47% Thompson 40%

Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, loses to all five major Republican candidates:

Clinton 38% McCain 42%

Clinton 40% Giuliani 43%

Clinton 40% Romney 43%

Clinton 39% Huckabee 44%

Clinton 40% Thompson 44%

When taken together with a recent SurveyUSA poll of Iowa residents, there seems to be growing evidence that Obama is solidifying his position as the most electable Democratic candidate. The SurveyUSA poll, released on November 9th, showed that Obama soundly beats all of his Republican challengers (with 50% or more against each of them), while Hillary more narrowly edges her GOP opponents (failing to break 50% against any of them) and even loses to John McCain. Details from that poll:

Obama leads...

* Giuliani by 13 points
* Romney by 14 points
* Huckabee by 21 points (no track; this is the first time we've run that pairing)
* McCain by 8 points

Still ahead in Iowa in most matchups, but by smaller and, over time, narrowing margins, is Hillary Clinton. Today, Clinton leads...

Giuliani by 4 points. (1/3 of Obama's lead)

Romney by 6 points. (1/2 of Obama's lead)

Huckabee by 6 points (1/3 of Obama's lead)

...but trails McCain by 4 points.
BarackObama.com | Sam Graham-Felsen's Blog: Electability
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Old 11-27-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Then perhaps you should consider Bush Jr.'s managerial career as a private business owner when forming an opinion that a proven leader is required for your choice of president. Then take a look at the largely ceremonial duties of a Texas governor. Follow that up with how he finally made his personal fortune. Sometimes experience has to be defined to determine if it's applicable to the criteria in forming an opinion.

Vision is not a political asset for other than the ability to say it for public consumption. Political office is all about following the rules, spoken and unspoken, with unquestionable loyalty. The ruling elite at all levels accepts nothing else. As an example, name me one politician you know who used only his/her own money to gain an elected federal office. I don't know it to be common at any political level. All democracies normally elect our representation from a very small selection of well-defined political parties with mostly subservient front people.
A picture can tell a thousand words. This picture in the link below tells a few thousands -- maybe more.

Most Experience or Enough Experience? - New York Times

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From the link above:
“If foreign policy issues were the deciding factor in U.S elections, Nixon in 1960, Carter in 1980, George H. W. Bush in 1992 and Al Gore in 2000 would have soundly defeated their opponents, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton and George W. Bush respectively,”
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Obama's stance on foreign policy showed his good judgement and strong intuition many times in his career. His early life in Hawaii and Indonesia as well as later travels to to his father's homeland in Kenya make me see Senator Obama as someone understands the world and the United State's role in it.

Just think how differently the world will see the US the moment Obama takes the oath of office. I think the whole country will be bursting with pride when we see the reaction that President Barack Obama will get on his first international travels. Aren't you tired of wincing with embarrassment every time our current President has a foreign trip?

Latest Zogby Poll: Zogby International
I understand your points and, as previously stated, I agree that Obama could bring some valuable perspectives. I still can't agree regarding the lack of leadership experience not being a major consideration. Until a person actually sits in the center chair, all of the thougths about how he or she would react to a crisis situation is just theory.

Personally, I would not mind Obama beating out Hillary in the election, Given the currently set of candidates, the US could do worse. I just remain disappointed that The Politcal parties can't find proven managerial leaders who have demonstrated the organizational skills needed to tackle all of the issues this country needs to have addressed.
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A picture can tell a thousand words. This picture in the link below tells a few thousands -- maybe more.

Most Experience or Enough Experience? - New York Times
Sorry, I would have taken Nixon over a Kennedy (any of them) in 1960. Experience would not be the only factor in this decision, however.
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Old 11-27-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Obama's stance on foreign policy showed his good judgement and strong intuition many times in his career. His early life in Hawaii and Indonesia as well as later travels to to his father's homeland in Kenya make me see Senator Obama as someone understands the world and the United State's role in it.

Just think how differently the world will see the US the moment Obama takes the oath of office. I think the whole country will be bursting with pride when we see the reaction that President Barack Obama will get on his first international travels. Aren't you tired of wincing with embarrassment every time our current President has a foreign trip?

Latest Zogby Poll: Zogby International
Let's hope that word of his electability catches on.
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