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Old 11-27-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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I understand your points and, as previously stated, I agree that Obama could bring some valuable perspectives. I still can't agree regarding the lack of leadership experience not being a major consideration. Until a person actually sits in the center chair, all of the thougths about how he or she would react to a crisis situation is just theory.

Personally, I would not mind Obama beating out Hillary in the election, Given the currently set of candidates, the US could do worse. I just remain disappointed that The Politcal parties can't find proven managerial leaders who have demonstrated the organizational skills needed to tackle all of the issues this country needs to have addressed.
I still think you're demanding skills which don't benefit interested parties who provide the money to place politicians in office. What the public hears from candidates who campaign for office has little relation to the actual process of government. Those who win office are aware of the limitations on their abilities to 'serve the public'.
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Old 11-28-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

Barack Obama and several of his top foreign policy advisors held a foreign policy forum on Nov. 27th, in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Panelists included:

Richard Danzig – Former secretary of the Navy under President Clinton
Tony Lake – National Security Advisor to President Clinton
Adm. John Hutson (USN Ret.) – Bow, NH resident; Dean of Franklin Pierce Law Center; former U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General and nationally-known expert on detention and interrogation
Samantha Power – Pulitzer Prize-winning author and renowned professor of human rights and foreign policy
Susan Rice – Former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
and Senator Barack Obama.

Obama's foreign policy initiative is garnering support from many renowned experts on international relations. Indeed, it is one big quality Obama has that he is able to bring together distinctive people with enormus knowledge and enough experience of swimming in rough waters.

Obama said in his speach:

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It's not good enough to just have "experience" -- Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld had tons of experience -- you want people with experience making good judgments, and Hillary Clinton doesn't have that record on Iraq, and her team is weighted toward people who made the same judgment that she did on Iraq.
He is right, indeed.
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Old 11-29-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

In a three-hour forum on foreign policy, Obama has outlined his foreign policy agenda which stressed diplomacy and economics, rather than military reliance to gain hearts and minds of the alienated masses around the world.

"We know what we're going to get from the Republican nominee - more Bush-Cheney foreign policy," Obama said. "More support for open-ended war in Iraq. More saber-rattling toward Iran. More refusing to talk to countries we don't like. More exceptions for torture."

Obama's foreign policy initiative is designed, mainly, to restore America's standing in the world. It is respect and admiration of the people outside that have made America great.

Read this op-ed in the Manchester Union-Leader from John Hutson, the president and dean of the Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord, New Hampshire:

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Fortunately, there is a clear solution to the mess that the Bush administration has made: reclaim our values and restore the rule of law. And on these critical issues, Barack Obama has spoken with the most clarity, conviction and courage of any candidate in this race.

Obama has rejected the use of torture without equivocation, calling for one standard on torture across the U.S. government. He knows that when you start to carve out exceptions for "enhanced interrogation techniques" you are giving interrogators a green light to torture. Interrogators -- whether military or civilian -- must have clear direction from the top. That's why it was unacceptable for Attorney General Michael Mukasey to hedge on the question of whether waterboarding qualified as torture. And that's why we should not choose a candidate who equivocates in his rejection of these methods, or changes positions on questions as fundamental as whether or not the United States should torture.

As a long-time professor of constitutional law, Obama is the candidate with the strongest commitment to the rule of law...

Our nation is at a turning point. Surely, there will be candidates who accuse anyone who opposes torture and indefinite detentions of being "soft" -- of lacking the "toughness" to protect America. Obama will never trim his sails or adjust his position because of these attacks. On the contrary, he is eager to take this debate head-on and to make his case to the American people that the way to get tough on terror is to once again be a nation of laws and to once again offer moral leadership to the world.

America must never become a nation symbolized by a torture victim standing on a box or by a prison camp where we don't tell people why they are being held. At this moment in history, we desperately need leadership that reclaims our future so that freedom triumphs over fear and justice triumphs over terror. I have looked closely at what the candidates have to say on these issues, and I strongly believe that Barack Obama will reclaim this future for America.
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Old 11-30-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

The 2008 election is a winner for White racists. The Democrats have 3x the money of the Republicans. The Democrats will win the Presidency. Obama is the leading Democrat in Iowa and, really, probably in the nation. So, the White racists will be able to blame the coming collapse on Mulatto leadership.
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Old 11-30-2007
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What is your opinion on foreign policy and the issue of an underdeveloped Africa? Under US leadership with the UN, funded mandates could help alleviate the humanitarian concerns on that continent and ease migration pressures on the rest of Europe.
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Old 12-01-2007
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The truth that the leftist media won't tell you:
Barack Obama
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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What is your opinion on foreign policy and the issue of an underdeveloped Africa? Under US leadership with the UN, funded mandates could help alleviate the humanitarian concerns on that continent and ease migration pressures on the rest of Europe.
Obama's policy on Africa is a well-directed and comprehensive one, which aims to take firm steps to reach well-defined ends, such as the crisis in Darfur, the conflict in Congo or bringing warlords in Liberia to justice.

Congo:
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BarackObama.com | Strengthening America Overseas
Senator Obama wrote and passed legislation to build on this historic election and promote stability in the country. Senator Obama revamped U.S. policy in the Congo to include a commitment to help rebuild the country, develop lasting political structures, hold accountable destabilizing foreign governments, crack down on corrupt politicians, and professionalize the military. The bill also authorizes $52 million in U.S. assistance for the Congo, calls for a Special U.S. Envoy to resolve ongoing violence, and urges the administration to strengthen the U.N. peacekeeping force.
Sudan:
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Senator Obama has been a leading voice in Washington urging the end of genocide in Sudan. He worked with Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) on the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act, a version of which was signed into law. Senator Obama has traveled to the United Nations to meet with Sudanese officials and visited refugee camps on the Chad-Sudan border to raise international awareness of the ongoing humanitarian disaster there. He also worked with Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) to secure $20 million for the African Union peacekeeping mission.
Liberia:
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On July 19, 2005, Senator Obama passed a bipartisan amendment, along with Senators Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Patrick Leahy (D-VT), and Judd Gregg (R-NH) to provide $13 million for the Special Court for Sierra Leone. Signed into law in November 2005, the Obama amendment provides critical funding to keep the Court up and running and dramatically enhances efforts to bring Charles Taylor to justice. Taylor was arrested in 2006 and awaits trial in April 2007.
These are three of the many examples of Barack's commitment to the peace in the world as the President of the United States.

America is more than a promise, a dream. America is, and needs to be, a fullfilment, a force to stand tall against the atrocities and oppressions taking place all around the world. Barack Obama has the strong intuition and good judgement to, again, lead the world using the might of American power in the right direction and for the right causes.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

You know there are moments when you feel something is gonna happen, really happen, and this is one of those times that so many people, as well as me, are now feeling the genuine excitement, belief and commitment about the strength and the promise Obama's campaign has shown as we are getting near to the first caucus in Iowa.

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Obama pulls ahead for Democrats in Iowa Poll | DesMoinesRegister.com | The Des Moines Register
Barack Obama has pulled ahead in the race for Iowa's Democratic presidential caucuses, while the party's national frontrunner Hillary Clinton has slipped to second in the leadoff nominating state, according to The Des Moines Register's new Iowa Poll.

Huckabee, Obama now lead

Despite the movement, the race for 2008's opening nominating contest remains very competitive about a month before the Jan. 3 caucuses, just over half of likely caucusgoers who favor a candidate saying they could change their minds.

Obama, an Illinois senator, leads for the first time in the Register's poll as the choice of 28 percent of likely caucusgoers, up from 22 percent in October. Clinton, a New York senator, was the preferred candidate of 25 percent, down from 29 percent in the previous poll.

Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, who led in the Register's May poll, held steady with 23 percent, in third place, but part of the three-way battle.
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In the new poll, Obama leads with support from 31 percent of women likely attend the caucuses, compared to 26 percent for Clinton. In October, Clinton was the preferred candidate of 34 percent of women caucusgoers, compared to 21 percent for Obama.

Women represent roughly six in 10 Democratic caucusgoers, according to the new poll.

Obama also dominates among younger caucusgoers, with support from 48 percent from those younger than 35. Clinton was the choice of 19 percent in that group and Edwards of 17 percent.

The under-35 bloc represents 14 percent of Democratic caucusgoers, up from 9 percent in the October poll.

Obama has an advantage among first-time caucusgoers. He also leads among people who say they definitely will attend the caucuses.
Can you feel the movement? Can you hear the emerging of the America's promise to the world, Obama. Do you hear how crows of misfortune, bats of bad luck, gangs of hatred are just rushing back to where they came from, squelching each other in their haste?

Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie endorsed Senator Obama for president today. Mayor Cownie was re-elected in 2007 with 80% of the vote.

Here's what Cownie had to say about Barack:

"The real promise of Senator Obama’s presidency isn’t just the plans he’ll bring with him into the White House, it’s the visionary leadership he’ll demonstrate once he gets there. Barack Obama will put an end to the bitter partisanship that’s stopped us from making progress on the urgent challenge of global warming. He’ll tell the American people what they need to hear, not just what they want to hear. As President, he’ll restore America’s standing in the world and lead a global effort to meet this challenge once and for all."

Some are green with envy!
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

Some people called it "naive" when Barack Obama said he was ready to talk to the world leaders no matter what country they are from, including Iran and Syria. But did you know that even FDR first tried to talk Hitler?

http://www.c-span.org/presidentialli.../FDRHitler.pdf

Amazing how different the relationship of the US with the rest of the world is nowadays. I feel that for an American President to speak with such a voice once again would be an amazing feat.

It's clear to me that that Obama is best suited to take America toward this respect. Later Presidents would surely benefit from the changes Obama will bring to American diplomacy.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Some people called it "naive" when Barack Obama said he was ready to talk to the world leaders no matter what country they are from, including Iran and Syria. But did you know that even FDR first tried to talk Hitler?

http://www.c-span.org/presidentialli.../FDRHitler.pdf
YouTube - Hitler mocking President Roosevelt
thats what hitler said back. So thats not really an example to be proud of.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

Obama looked good in the Brown & Black Presidential Forum.... that's the event in Iowa that was moderated by NPR.

All Democrat and Republican candiates were invited but only Democrats showed up.

Richardson also did well.. Hillary got lots of attention, but only seemed to deliver canned statements.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Obama looked good in the Brown & Black Presidential Forum.... that's the event in Iowa that was moderated by NPR.

All Democrat and Republican candiates were invited but only Democrats showed up.

Richardson also did well.. Hillary got lots of attention, but only seemed to deliver canned statements.
Listen for the NPR democratic debate today. They also wanted to have a republican debate but the candidates said they had scheduling conflicts.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

I am not sure naive is the most appropriate word, since Obama could be in the position of a leader of the world's last remaining superpower if he does attempt to engage other leaders from, mostly, less developed parts of the world.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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YouTube - Hitler mocking President Roosevelt
thats what hitler said back. So thats not really an example to be proud of.
But that did not make FDR a worse president than GWB is or HRC could ever be.
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Old 12-03-2007
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Hillary got lots of attention, but only seemed to deliver canned statements.
I watched the event, too. And Hillary was as hot as a chunk of ice.
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