Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Who said the electorate always did their due dilligence?

The same could be said of any candidate.... Part of their base of support and their voters back them for spurrious reasons that have nothing to do with policy.

Originally Posted by Sheriff

Obama is for a two-state solution in the occupied territories.

Originally Posted by Cyberella

Doesn't Obama's Islamic background bother you at all??

Originally Posted by Opa

It bothers me a great deal, especially since he has never refuted the E-mails that have made the rounds stating that he is a Muslim and giving dates and places that he was instructed as a Muslim. If he is, why not say so? There is such a thing as religeous freedom in this Country. If he is'nt than he is being swift boated and if he does not stand up to that today, he will not in the General Election when they will come after him over his heritage hard and heavy. Refute it NOW or be cut to ribbons in October like Kerry was. He also never fought back and look what happened. People saw weakness where strength was required and he lost a sure thing!

Originally Posted by Sheriff

There is enough evidence that can make a sceptics believe that Obama is what he says he is from religious perspective:

NEWSWEEK: Factcheck.org: Sliming Obama | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

"Dueling chain e-mails claim he's a radical Muslim or a 'racist' Christian. Both can't be right. We find both are false. If these two nasty e-mail messages are any indication, the 2008 presidential campaign is becoming a very dirty one. One claims that Obama is 'certainly a racist' by virtue of belonging to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, which it says 'will accept only black parishioners' and espouses a commitment to Africa. Actually, a white theology professor says he's been 'welcomed enthusiastically' at the church, as have other non-blacks. Another e-mail claims that Obama 'is a Muslim,' attended a 'Wahabi' school in Indonesia, took his Senate oath on the Koran, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and is part of an Islamic plot to take over the U.S. Each of these statements is false. These false appeals to bigotry and fear remind us of the infamous whispering campaign of eight years ago, when anonymous messages just before the South Carolina primary falsely accused Republican candidate John McCain of fathering an illegitimate child by a black woman."

United Church of Christ has denied the allegations of racism: Thomas denounces smear campaign against UCC’s largest congregation

"'Trinity UCC is rooted in and proud of its Afrocentric heritage,' [Rev. John H. Thomas, the UCC's general minister and president] said. 'This is no different than the hundreds of UCC churches from the German Evangelical and Reformed stream that continue to own and celebrate their German heritage, insisting on annual sausage and sauerkraut dinners and singing Stille Nacht on Christmas Eve. Recognizing and celebrating our distinctive racial-ethnic heritages, cultures, languages and customs are what make us unique as a united and uniting denomination.' While Trinity UCC is predominately African American, it does include and welcome non-Black members. The Rev. Jane Fisler-Hoffman, Illinois Conference Minister, who is white, has been a member of the congregation for years." READ MORE HERE

AND HE NEVER ATTENDED A RADICAL MUSLIM SCHOOL:

CNN confirms: Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

And the Indonesian Embassy:

Indonesian Embassy Says That Besuki School Attended by Barack Obama "Has Never Been an Islamic Madrassah Type of School." A letter from the Indonesian Embassy stated that "Sekolah Dasar Negeri Besuki in Menteng, Jakarta, Indonesia has always been a public school. It has never been an Islamic madrassa type of school." [Letter From Ambassador Sudjadnan Parnohadiningrat to Senator Barack Obama, 1/25/07]

Obama Was Baptized And Attends Church Once a Week When He is Able. In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, "I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized." In 2004, he "attend[ed] the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant." When asked about his decision to be baptized, Obama said "Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me," he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. "I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth." [Audacity of Hope, p.208, Chicago Sun Times, 4/5/04; AP 6/28/06]

Obama Held His Personal Bible When He Was Sworn-In As A U.S. Senator. "...Even before the makeshift office was up and running in the basement of a Senate building, even before he raised his hand Tuesday to take the oath of office as the junior senator from Illinois, Barack Obama was already a political rock star and a celebrated new face in Congress. He arrived Tuesday, his first official day in the Capitol.... In the circles he runs in now, celebrity status is checked at the cloakroom door...When it was finally time to take the oath, he held his personal Bible, as family from as far away as Kenya watched from the visitors' gallery above. His daughters, Malia, 6, and Sasha, 3, in velvet dresses and patent leather shoes, bounced in their chairs when he looked up and waved." [Los Angeles Times, 1/5/05]

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Exactly. Obama is not and has never been a Muslim. He's a Christian. And the childhood school he went to was equivalent to a American public school. It was nondenominational and even has Christian students. And even if he was a Muslim, so what. That isn't any evidence by itself that he would be disloyal. His father's ancestry is also irrelevant. This kind of thing is exactly what brings out the old dark days and those bigots who think they were the good ones.

Moreover, FOX should have been skinned alive for carrying that story that was a smear, almost as shoddy journalism as the Dan Rather bogus document scandal except more slimy in that it was a false smear that looked to prey upon and inflame bigots and bigotry, much like the Bush attacks on McCain in 2000 with the push polling about 'would you vote for a person who had an illegitimate black child' and trying to give the false impression that his adopted Philippino daughter is such a child, the Bob Corker 527 ad against Harold Ford in Tennessee in 2006 showing the white playboy bunny wooing the light skinned black Ford in a sexually suggestive manner, etc.

What even bothers me about the ugliness of this smear is that it will bring out even more open and violent bigots who will either believe it and/or not care whether it is true or not because it is a nice lie to hang their prejudice.

One concern I have, and it hasn't been mentioned much, but should be, is whether Obama might draw enough anger from these:





that makes him a higher risk of an assassination target. I wish it weren't true, but the country still has too many of that mindset.

Originally Posted by Sheriff

Well, it is very scary to think of such a probability. Fanatics can do anything and the responsible is their sick minds and those that spread hate messages, some of them incubate in this forum, too.

May God protect Obama.

Originally Posted by Scribbler1

The hell with Obama. He got into politics voluntarily.

May God protect the REST of us from these politicians!

Originally Posted by Cyberella

I have researched both Obama and Islam throughly- and I would advise anyone to do their own research and refuse to listen to those who are so PC insane and/or ridden with White Guilt. I am very afraid of both after having done the research.

The information that I post can all be verified. For instance, 'Freedom's Enemies, Barack Hussein Obama' by Beckwith,[www.freedomsenemies.com]
The U.S Veteran's Dispatch, 'Barack Hussein Obama, Who Is He? [www.usvetdsp.com]
and 'Examiner, Can A Past Of Islam Change The Path to The President for Obama?' [www.examiner.com]
(The article in The Examiner is a completely unbiased look at his past- just stating the facts)
Everything about Obama in these sites has links back to something that prove it.

The links are to HIS OWN BOOKS where he displays his disdain for his white relatives and the white race:

QUOTE FROM OBAMA'S BOOK, DREAMS OF MY FATHER;
"THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, though, was [half BROTHER] Roy Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. HE (brother Roy) CONVERTED TO ISLAM." There are NUMEROUS newspaper accounts (lib AND conservative) reporting that he said that. Google that phrase.

QUOTE FROM OBAMA'S BOOK: His admiration for Muslim Malcomb X:

"Malcolm X's autobiography seemed to offer something different, His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me, the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, propmised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline forged through sheer force of will"

(I have read Malcom X books- full of hate for the white man.
Yet Obama ADMIRES HIM.)


From 'Dreams of my Father', "In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"
"I studied the Koran.."

From 'The Audacity of Hope: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama, for whom the senator was given his middle name, Hussein, was fiercely devoted to Islam, according to an account in "Dreams." The grandfather, who died in 1979, was described by his widow when Obama visited Kenya in the late 1980s.


From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam that could make room for the remnants of more ancient animist and Hindu faiths," Obama recalled. "He explained that a man took on the powers of whatever he ate: One day soon, he promised, he would bring home a piece of tiger meat for us to share."

(Muslim stepfather- big influence on Obama's life. It is mandatory a Muslim father lead the son in the path of Islam.
REAL PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL!)


From 'Audacity": "not only that Christianity is America's dominant faith, but that a particular, fundamentalist brand of that faith should drive public policy, overriding any alternative source of understanding, whether the writings of liberal theologians, the findings of the National Academy of Sciences, or the words of Thomas Jefferson."

From 'Audacity', "We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
(A MUSLIM nation, Obama?? In your dreams! I don't THINK so! Not a Christian nation? We still are.)


From 'Audacity', "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." There are NUMEROUS newspaper accounts (lib AND conservative) reporting he said that.
(Well, you've TOLD us, Obama. Now we know.) Pedestrian Infidel: Barack Hussien Obama: “I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.�


From 'Dreams of My Father',
"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

(Ashamed of your mother, Obama? Your beloved Muslim father deserted you and your mother and took own two more 'wives' and a mistress, (bore more children without a marriage license ever noted). He died in a drunken car wreck. WITH THAT FAMILY HISTORY, REAL FINE PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL, HUH?Your white mother and grandparents gave you a life of privilage and sent you to a fine university and made you what you are today! Why are you ashamed of them?)

From 'Dreams', "never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."
(NICE PHILOSOPHY FOR A PRESIDENT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, BLACK AND WHITE, HUH?)


From 'Dreams',

"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names"
(REALLY, OBAMA? LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES??? WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE MASSES??)

From 'Dreams', "I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races."
(REALLY OBAMA? SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES??)

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."
(REALLY OBAMA- THE OTHER RACE IS MENACING ALIEN AND APART????
WHAT KIND OF FEELING IS THAT FOR A PRESIDENT TO HAVE? BET WE CAN GUESS WHO YOU WOULD CATER TO).

From 'Dreams', "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white." This was a statement made about one of his bosses.
('AND WHITE'? GOT SOMETHING AGAINST THE WHITE RACE, OBAMA??)

From 'Dreams' 'ugly words flashed across my mind, uncle tom, collaborator, House N----'
This was upon leaning that some of his grandfather's people worked for whites.

From 'Dreams', "'There are white folks and then there are ignorant motherf---ers like you,' I had finally told the coach before walking off the court," he wrote.

(MY, MY OBAMA, WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE IS THAT FOR A PRESIDENT?)



From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASISVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".

(OH, REALLY, OBAMA. DOESN'T SOUND TOO GOOD FOR THE WHITE RACE IF YOU MAKE IT TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)


These are only a few quotes from his books that tell us how he feels about whites. His books are filled with disdain and animosity for whites. A white candidate who had these sort of racist things out in print would't have a chance. He would be CRUICIFIED. Ross Perot had his polital career ruined by uttered the innocent words, 'you people'.


An interesting side note, Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope when it came out in Jakarta, it's title was translated to......

"Jihad: From Jakarta To The Whitehouse".!!!!!



There are links back to HIS OWN SPEECHES where he told La Raza that he supports illegal aliens and the 'Dream Act' (using tax dollars to help provide college education for children of illegal aliens, and other atrocities)
He even told them their demonstrations in U.S. cities for illegal alien's 'rights' was equal in greatness to the civil rights marches of the past!!!
Go to YOUTUBE, type in Obama/La Raza, Obama, Hillary Illegal immigrants..If you don't believe what you read, hear it from his own lips!


Google Tony Resko/Obama, Jeremiah Wright/ Obama and
NATION OF ISLAM LEADERI Louis Farrakhan .

Obama supports homosexual marriage, racial preferences, gun control, flag-burning, socialized medicine and the absolute right to abortion, including PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTIONS . HE VOTED AGAINST REQUIRING MEDICAL CARE FOR ABORTED FETUSES WHO SURVIVE.


"Obama is a Christian, brought up in Chicago, He is a member of The Church of Christ."

Because he SAYS so? Taqiyya gives Muslims permission to lie to protect themselves/Islam. Joining a 'Christian' church made him more palatable to voters. Read up on his 'church':

Trinity United Church of Christ

Obama's church is headed by black supremacist activist, Jeremiah Wright whose close associates are people like Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan.
The Trinity United Church of Christ, is well known as anti-Israel, anti-Jew and pro-Arab. Trinity United Church of Christ

Dogma (from website)

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. "WE ARE AFRICAN PEOPLE, AND REMAIN TRUE TO OUR NATIVE LAND"..
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
Commitment to God
COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY
COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK FAMILY
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
ADHERENCE TO THE BLACK WORK ETHIC
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO ALL BLACK LEADERSHIP WHO ESPOUSE AND EMBRACE THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
A congregation committed to adoration.
A congregation preaching salvation..
A congregation actively seeking reconciliation..
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to biblical education.
A congregation committed to cultural education.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to liberation.
A congregation committed to retoration.
A congregation working towards economic parity.

Substitue 'white' where you see black'. If a white church came out with something like this, Sharpston and Jackson would be out front with 10,000 protesters in a NY minute.



AS for Islam;

Mohammed Considered ALL who were not Muslims were infidels, and taught that they must be killed or converted. This is the ONLY religion that practices this. The Islamic fundamentalists still believe that today.

The problem is ISLAM. I am sure there are Muslims who are unaware of what's in the Koran, for they have not read it.

Muslims and Muslim sympathizers try to explain away what is painfully obvious in the Koran by statements like; 'it's all been taken out of context', 'it wasn't translated correctly', 'that's not what Muslims believe' (we're talking fundamentalists) Any reasonable person isn't buying it.

The following verses are straight from the Koran and are instructions for the terrorists:



THE KORAN INSTRUCTS ITS FOLLOWERS TO FIGHT UNTIL ISLAM IS SUPREME. THE KORAN PROMISES GREAT REWARDS IN HEAVEN AND 'BOOTY' FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT AND DIE FOR ISLAM.

/>WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)

/>"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's cause) is ordained for"
(Surat A1-Baqarah 2:216).

/>Verse 9:123 - "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you."

/>"AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193

/>If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39
/>But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 48:19-20

/>Set 24, Count 57 Pickthall: ...the spoils of war...The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger

>Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111
>Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74


THE KORAN INSTRUCTS TO DECEIVE

/>Quran 3:28 Don't have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.


THE KORAN TEACHES RACISM, BIGOTRY AND HATRED FOR CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND BLACKS:

/>verse 5:51 - "Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another."

/>Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37


/>Whoever says Muhammad was black must be killed…(Ash‑Shifa, Tr. Aisha Abdarrahman, 2004)

/>Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, "Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed. (ibid, p.375)

/>In one Hadith, Mohammed referred to Blacks as Raisn Heads (Sahih Al Bukhary vol. 1, no. 662 and vol. 9, no. 256), and as pug nosed slaves in Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47.

/>Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

/>Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72 />Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34



/>Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintainthem. Good women are obedient.Q 4:34

>Scourge adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 24:2



/>Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS


AMERICA HAD BETTER TAKE THIS MAN AT HIS WORD:

"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else." OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.



Go to YouTube and look up 'WELCOME TO SWEDEN' [www.youtube.com]


Go to YouTube and look up 'MUSLIMS DESECRATING the U.S. FLAG AND CONDEMING AMERICA IN NYC' [www.youtube.com]

Visit this site to learn more about the enemy America faces today: http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/..._report/45.pdf
A report form Freedom House about Saudi funded Mosques preaching terror in America.


Go to 'Faith Freedom International' (a site formed by a group of ex-Muslim intellectuals to educate America about the REAL Islam and its dangers, and to try to persuade Muslims to leave the religion). Faith Freedom International

Go to 'The United America Committee' and educate yourself about Islam. UNITED AMERICAN COMMITTEE

Every American should listen to this man speak on Islam:

A turning point in history...
Below (Clip 1 of 3): UAC's Jim Horn says what would not have been acceptable to say only a few years ago, but today is received with thundering applause as Jim addresses 1,800 people at the National Federation of Republican Women's convention.

UNITED AMERICAN COMMITTEE

YouTube - UAC's Jim Horn speaks out on Islam PART 2 OF 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPd...feature=related

WAKE UP AND REALIZE what Islam is really about and IF YOU REALLY WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON A MAN WITH A MUSLIM BIRTH AND UPBRINGING.
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If you don't believe in anything, you'll believe anything.
As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
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Originally Posted by danielpalos

What is Obama's position on a simple but formal recognition of another State in historic Palestine, either as a US initiative or via the mechanism of the UN?

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Here's a thought on Obama:

I think he's in a nice position with African American voters just in time for South Carolina.

Hillary made the mistake of stepping on Mr. Luther King to make a point about the importance of a president's job. This and other things would seem to perhaps tip the black vote toward Obama.

It will be interesting to see if, tonight in the debate, either Barack or Hillary get a question about these things that have been said regarding King and race in general.

Originally Posted by Sheriff

I believe it is through a kind of mechanism of the UN. Anyways, it was the UN that let Israel be established on the occupied territories.

It will take much time even for Obama to restore America's credibility and prestige in the Middle East.