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Old 02-03-2008
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

well theres more than one way to skin a cat...


The Clinton Race Gambit

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ASIA
January 29, 2008

About Bill Clinton, what can you say? Even before the polls closed in South Carolina on Saturday, the former President was diminishing Barack Obama's victory and trying to boost his wife in the next primaries by playing the race card.

Asked by a reporter why it took "two" Clintons to beat Mr. Obama, Mr. Clinton replied that "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina" in 1984 and 1988. And he added that both Rev. Jackson and Mr. Obama had run "a good campaign here." Hmmm. The reporter hadn't mentioned Jesse Jackson, but Mr. Clinton somehow felt it apposite to refer to him anyway. He thus associated Mr. Obama's landslide victory with that of a black candidate who never did win the Democratic nomination, much less the Presidency, and who had run overtly as an African-American candidate in contrast to Mr. Obama's explicit campaign theme of transcending race.

Anyone who thinks this was accidental has spent too much time with Sid Blumenthal. While Mr. Obama won a respectable 24% of white voters, according to Saturday's exit polls, Mrs. Clinton still won 36% and John Edwards 39% of the white vote. Mr. Obama won 78% of the black vote.

The Clintons are now eager to make Mr. Obama into a Rev. Jackson-style "black candidate" as they contest primaries with a larger share of white and Hispanic voters than there were in South Carolina. The Clintons want to portray Mr. Obama as a candidate with a narrowly racial appeal, both to undermine his larger and inspirational message of "unity," and also to play to whatever doubts still exist about an African-American candidate among Democratic voters.

It's going to be fascinating to see if Democrats and the press let the Clintons get away with this. Imagine if Mitt Romney had made the Jesse Jackson comparison. Democrats would have immediately denounced the remarks as "racist," or as a part of some Republican "Southern strategy."

This primary contest has been a rolling revelation for many Democrats and the media, as they've been shocked to see the Clinton brand of divisive politics played against one of their own. Liberal columnists who long idolized the Clintons are even writing more-in-sorrow-than-anger pieces asking how Bill and Hillary could descend to such deceptive tactics. Allow us to answer that lament this way: Our readers aren't surprised.

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Old 02-03-2008
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As a research student studying political science, we get told often by our professors that Barack Obama would win this election hands down if he were a white man. But from all the discussions and forums I've seen on the subject on the internet, people seem to be saying that his skin color is NOT an issue. So, I've decided to run a little experiment here and I want to know, how many of you think that it would make a difference to your vote if Barack Obama was white?

I created a poll where you can vote anonymously if you want, so don't worry, you can answer honestly. The results are pretty surprising, so check them out

If Barack Obama were white...
I think he might seem to be somewhat less credible in foreign policy regarding the development of Africa as another first world continent in our global economy, if he were white.
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Old 02-03-2008
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

I think he's big on flash & light on substance.

I'd like to hear him tell us exactly WHAT he plans to change, & exactly what his PLAN is to accomplish that change.

Because not only do I not believe it's possible, but that it's downright naive to think it is.

He is a relative neophyte who has hit upon a nice sales pitch, but I think in the end people will stop & consider the experience & toughness question & vote for Hillary.
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Old 02-03-2008
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I think resolving the issue of statism in historic Palestine would enable the US to focus more on the problem of Africa's domestic tranquility. This piece of foreign policy may require congressional support or executive insistence at the UN level.

Transitioning to alternative fuels and technologies could be done by a simple executive order requiring a portion of new executive branch vehicles to be alternative fuel capable.
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Old 02-03-2008
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I am a life-long republican & just donated to the Obama campaign. His statement today, "that he would be able to work across the isle with republicans" is right.

The reason: Every time Hillary is in front of a micro-phone she insults republicans. There's just too much water under the bridge with the Clinton's for Hillary to work effectively with republicans, to get the things done that are so critical to this nation.

We all want change, especially on the domestic front. "Affordable health care" is very important to us, (being small business owners--we would love to be able to afford health care for our employees), but we just can't. This is why there are 47 million "working" Americans without health care. Small business is the largest employer in this nation.

I am very discouraged with my republican party. McCain really turned me off by propping up a lie regarding Mitt Romney, & the date or fixed time schedule on the departure from Iraq. I will not vote for any candidate that fabricates lies in order to achieve personal political gain. (McCain reminds me of another President 10 or so years ago.)

Romney--I liked until I heard his immigration policy. We have 12 million illegals in this country, most of whom are from Mexico. Some have been here for decades, raised their children here, & bought homes here. Living in the southwest, they have integrated well into our communities. I can think of nothing more heartless, that to move the gestapo in to bust down doors, & send these people along with their kids back to hopelessness. So Romney is off my list too.

This will be the first year in my 55 year old life, that I will cross party lines to vote for a democrat. That democrat, I hope will be Obama.
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Old 02-04-2008
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I think he's big on flash & light on substance.

I'd like to hear him tell us exactly WHAT he plans to change, & exactly what his PLAN is to accomplish that change.

Because not only do I not believe it's possible, but that it's downright naive to think it is.

He is a relative neophyte who has hit upon a nice sales pitch, but I think in the end people will stop & consider the experience & toughness question & vote for Hillary.
Hillary is anything but constructive experience. She has an experience of mudslinging, lying and digging pits for her opponents. Just remember the latest Tony Rezko aspersion. She was deadly silent after the pictures of her, her husband and Tony Rezko emerged.

She is too hectical to be a reasonable, wise, common-sense President. She consists of flesh, bone and deadly ambition.
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Old 02-04-2008
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I am a life-long republican & just donated to the Obama campaign. His statement today, "that he would be able to work across the isle with republicans" is right.

The reason: Every time Hillary is in front of a micro-phone she insults republicans. There's just too much water under the bridge with the Clinton's for Hillary to work effectively with republicans, to get the things done that are so critical to this nation.

We all want change, especially on the domestic front. "Affordable health care" is very important to us, (being small business owners--we would love to be able to afford health care for our employees), but we just can't. This is why there are 47 million "working" Americans without health care. Small business is the largest employer in this nation.

I am very discouraged with my republican party. McCain really turned me off by propping up a lie regarding Mitt Romney, & the date or fixed time schedule on the departure from Iraq. I will not vote for any candidate that fabricates lies in order to achieve personal political gain. (McCain reminds me of another President 10 or so years ago.)

Romney--I liked until I heard his immigration policy. We have 12 million illegals in this country, most of whom are from Mexico. Some have been here for decades, raised their children here, & bought homes here. Living in the southwest, they have integrated well into our communities. I can think of nothing more heartless, that to move the gestapo in to bust down doors, & send these people along with their kids back to hopelessness. So Romney is off my list too.

This will be the first year in my 55 year old life, that I will cross party lines to vote for a democrat. That democrat, I hope will be Obama.
Welcome aboard, Oreo. You are sure not the only one that are crossing to vote for hope and change for the better. Heard this?

LA Times reports:

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Top of the Ticket : Los Angeles Times : Breaking News: Maria Shriver endorses Barack Obama
In a dramatic moment at UCLA's Pauley Pavilion, California First Lady Maria Shriver just strode out onto a stage that had already seen its share of celebrities -- Oprah Winfrey and Stevie Wonder among them -- and announced that she was joining the Kennedy half of the family backing Barack Obama, reports our colleague Mark Z. Barabak, who is there.
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Old 02-05-2008
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

hey all
it looks like it's going to be close between Clinton and Obama today
I thought I'd share a couple of my thoughts on the choice on the off-chance that it helps someone else to formulate their own:

I believe that there are a LOT of very smart people around the world
who believe that we are approaching a point in world history
where resources are no longer sufficient to support the population of the planet
where food, water, energy will be increasingly scarce
where basic survival is at issue

and I think that what we have been seeing over the past several decades
is the jockeying and positioning for control over the planet's resources
in order to ensure survival of those in power and their constituents

and I think Hillary Clinton is, maybe regretfully, on board with that jockeying, positioning, with that world view
and I think that Barack Obama is adamantly not
I think he is someone who will reject that essentially cynical and pessimistic (and mistaken) mindset
in favor of smarter, wiser, more proactive, more collaborative choices

his position on the Iraq war demonstrates to me that he is capable of assessing conventional wisdom and popular trends, keeping his own counsel, and REJECTING them if his heart and mind do not agree
her position shows me that she is not as capable of that

the funding she has accepted from big-money contributors and corporate sponsors tells me that she is very much entwined and in league with corporate and political interests
his funding largely from individual, small-money contributors (like me) tells me that he is not

essentially, I feel that Barack Obama has the potential to be a truly independent, unbeholden, visionary leader at a time when we absolutely need one
Hillary Clinton - not so much

I feel that Hillary Clinton is a genuine Washington insider who, despite her clearly heartfelt desire and intention to work for the betterment of people and planet, will be crippled and hampered by her ties to institutions and interests and by her own box-within-a-box view of political 'reality'
Barack Obama - not so much

and when I think of whom I want to see representing this country to the rest of the world, interacting with other leaders, setting the course for this country over the next critical years, instinctively I feel MUCH more comfortable with the prospect of Barack Obama at the helm than Hillary Clinton


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Old 02-05-2008
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hey all
it looks like it's going to be close between Clinton and Obama today
I thought I'd share a couple of my thoughts on the choice on the off-chance that it helps someone else to formulate their own:

I believe that there are a LOT of very smart people around the world
who believe that we are approaching a point in world history
where resources are no longer sufficient to support the population of the planet
where food, water, energy will be increasingly scarce
where basic survival is at issue

and I think that what we have been seeing over the past several decades
is the jockeying and positioning for control over the planet's resources
in order to ensure survival of those in power and their constituents

and I think Hillary Clinton is, maybe regretfully, on board with that jockeying, positioning, with that world view
and I think that Barack Obama is adamantly not
I think he is someone who will reject that essentially cynical and pessimistic (and mistaken) mindset
in favor of smarter, wiser, more proactive, more collaborative choices

his position on the Iraq war demonstrates to me that he is capable of assessing conventional wisdom and popular trends, keeping his own counsel, and REJECTING them if his heart and mind do not agree
her position shows me that she is not as capable of that

the funding she has accepted from big-money contributors and corporate sponsors tells me that she is very much entwined and in league with corporate and political interests
his funding largely from individual, small-money contributors (like me) tells me that he is not

essentially, I feel that Barack Obama has the potential to be a truly independent, unbeholden, visionary leader at a time when we absolutely need one
Hillary Clinton - not so much

I feel that Hillary Clinton is a genuine Washington insider who, despite her clearly heartfelt desire and intention to work for the betterment of people and planet, will be crippled and hampered by her ties to institutions and interests and by her own box-within-a-box view of political 'reality'
Barack Obama - not so much

and when I think of whom I want to see representing this country to the rest of the world, interacting with other leaders, setting the course for this country over the next critical years, instinctively I feel MUCH more comfortable with the prospect of Barack Obama at the helm than Hillary Clinton


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Welcome. I think this is a common sense point of view that many Americans hold.
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Old 02-05-2008
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536. Feds and Obama (2/3/08)

It seems Feds has a deal with Obama and chooses him as the most favorite of Demo candidate.

1. Mercury News - a tool of Feds - recommends: Barack Obama as Demo candidate and John McCain as GOP candidate. That's not a decision based on opinion or policy but on Feds' intention. John McCain is famous for his "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.". If Mercury News is anti-war, then it should have picked up Ron Paul. But it chooses a warmonger. Then why it picks up Obama in Demo instead of Clinton?

2. From Republican's platform, Obama is easier to be defeat than Clinton. So they would rather have Obama as their rival. Or in another word, it will be more reasonable to defeat Obama in a rigged election. Obama may represent mainstream public opinion. So what. Ron Paul has a more distinctive flag, hasn't Feds successfully put him at the bottom? With same tactic they can easily defeat Obama. Justify it as Americans are not ready for a black president.

3. Even if Obama wins. He is easier to be manipulated than Hillary. Hillary, backed by a huge Demo party machine, has to take care of the interest of the Demo Party more or less. Obama is a new berry. He has not that burden. He will satisfy Feds demand more than to his party.

4. Bush is awarded by two terms of US President because he loyally carries out the policy of Feds. DOJ got Patriot Act and warrantless eavesdropping, DOD got fat budget and war. Feds got their own representative as their head: Ashcroft, Gonzalez, Mukasy. This time, when they failed to get Edwards as Demo president candidate, they have him as their future head - Attorney General.

Quote, "Attorney General Edwards?

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Illinois Democrats close to Sen. Barack Obama are quietly passing the word that John Edwards will be named attorney general in an Obama administration.

Attorney General Edwards? by Robert D. Novak on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
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2. From Republican's platform, Obama is easier to be defeat than Clinton. So they would rather have Obama as their rival. Or in another word, it will be more reasonable to defeat Obama in a rigged election. Obama may represent mainstream public opinion. So what. Ron Paul has a more distinctive flag, hasn't Feds successfully put him at the bottom? With same tactic they can easily defeat Obama. Justify it as Americans are not ready for a black president.
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The republicans would rather run against a uniting Obama than a polarizing Clinton?.. Please tell me it's opposite day.
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The republicans would rather run against a uniting Obama than a polarizing Clinton?.. Please tell me it's opposite day.
"uniting Obama"? Where did you get this? From media? Obama now is hot in media - the same one which beat the drum for Bush for two terms, for unjust Iraq war, censoring Ron Paul. If this media machine is so warm for Obama, then there is something there.


This is a covert totalitarian country. They select president by rigged election. (They control the voting office by intelligence) and justify the result by fake poll. (They manipulate public opinion by media)
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Old 02-06-2008
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"uniting Obama"? Where did you get this? From media? Obama now is hot in media - the same one which beat the drum for Bush for two terms, for unjust Iraq war, censoring Ron Paul. If this media machine is so warm for Obama, then there is something there.


This is a covert totalitarian country. They select president by rigged election. (They control the voting office by intelligence) and justify the result by fake poll. (They manipulate public opinion by media)
Don't forget, the media is now very hot for Billary and has always been that way.
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Old 02-06-2008
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Barack Hussein Obama is an African-American who has not shared the black American experience, born into privilage, raised for the most part in Muslim dominated Jakarta, and was, by birth and blood, a Muslim for at least 27 years. His politics are rooted in Marx and socialism. He is a master at shaping his own mythology, playing the role of the perpetually victimized black man with a Muslim name.

His biggest supporters and backers are black activist hate groups and American Muslim activists- who supply him with most of his campaign money. Natiion of Islam members are even employed by his election machine!!
All this goes on right under our noses- and nobody DARES question him about any of this. They will be labled racist and bigot!

This man has come out of nowhere. He hypnotizes with the lofty speaches his handlers give him. He promises 'great things' and 'change' for America- without specifying just what this is. The American public follow in droves with question.
Those who dare question are shouting down with racist! Bigot!
Very, very disturbing.

You who do not believe this information had best get your heads out of the sand and wake up to who this man is and just what his agenda might be.
Read his books. Go to YouTube and listen to his speeches. (type in Obama/La Raza) http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm"
Educate yourselves!

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[B]Barack Hussein Obama is an African-American...
You who do not believe this information had best get your heads out of the sand
Shut up, bitch.

John Kerry and Kennedy family and the United states Army and millions more have debunked you.

Take your shithead off.
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