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Old 02-09-2008
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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What's really frightening; this stranger comes out of nowhere. He is articulate and charismatic. He promises great things for America..'change'- without specifying what. The American public hang on every word. They follow in droves. They do not question.
Anyone who does dare to question is shouted down with screams of 'racist' and 'bigot'.
We know that so many of his supporters and backers are black hate groups/Muslim activists such as Nation of Islam, The United Trinity Church of Christ, and the New Black Panthers Party and people such as billionare anti-Jewish, pro-Islam Louis Farrakhan, Tony Rezko and George Soros..yet we still do not question and the media has a blackout on all this. Very frightening.
Cyberella,

Hate and Fear. It's what Bush preached, it's what you preach. It's not selling anymore...

You are both going to be politically irrelevant in 2009. A reminder of an error in judgement that we don't want to repeat. The difference is that you're apparently young and have time to ( I have to say it ) change.
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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What's really frightening; this stranger comes out of nowhere. He is articulate and charismatic. He promises great things for America..'change'- without specifying what. The American public hang on every word. They follow in droves. They do not question.
Anyone who does dare to question is shouted down with screams of 'racist' and 'bigot'.
We know that so many of his supporters and backers are black hate groups/Muslim activists such as Nation of Islam, The United Trinity Church of Christ, and the New Black Panthers Party and people such as billionare anti-Jewish, pro-Islam Louis Farrakhan, Tony Rezko and George Soros..yet we still do not question and the media has a blackout on all this. Very frightening.
Are you talking about Obama or Bush post 9/11?

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On Super Tuesday, as far as decided yet, Clinton won 84 delegates more than Obama. That's a lot in a tight race. And why do you exclude superdelegates from your equation? It's a nice spin, but's its the same like claiming your loosing football team 'deserved' to win.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Obama, but I stay realistic.
Looks like Obama just substantially widened that gap, taking all the states in the last round of votes, Ainoow. And it appears he's set to take the next round too.

As to the super- delegates don't forget that they're free to vote however they wish. They might choose to just "go with the flow" and bring their support behind Obama too.

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What's really frightening; this stranger comes out of nowhere. He is articulate and charismatic. He promises great things for America..'change'- without specifying what. The American public hang on every word. They follow in droves. They do not question.
Anyone who does dare to question is shouted down with screams of 'racist' and 'bigot'.
We know that so many of his supporters and backers are black hate groups/Muslim activists such as Nation of Islam, The United Trinity Church of Christ, and the New Black Panthers Party and people such as billionare anti-Jewish, pro-Islam Louis Farrakhan, Tony Rezko and George Soros..yet we still do not question and the media has a blackout on all this. Very frightening.
If it is only a few political issues you need; then, why not consider the issues of another state in historic Palestine,

or a simple and market friendly method of transitioning to alternative fuels and technologies that will not require drilling in nature preserves,

or how about ending welfare, as we know it, withing a five year time frame with something as simple and market friendly as forms of unemployment insurance that can replace traditional forms of welfare and the red tape it involves.
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Old 02-10-2008
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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Looks like Obama just substantially widened that gap, taking all the states in the last round of votes, Ainoow. And it appears he's set to take the next round too.

As to the super- delegates don't forget that they're free to vote however they wish. They might choose to just "go with the flow" and bring their support behind Obama too.

Gem
well if they don't they'll be a lot of hoopla regards why they don't.......I am going to love watching Clinton try and impose her will on the super delegates she wined and dined in the 90’s in the Lincoln bedroom etc. while obama has a) greater “electability” and b) in all likely hood a marginal edge in elected delegates....and then there’s the black eye, no pun intended the party may wind up with regards disenfranchising the “brother”....for the white power broker struture extent.....

the whole super delegate thing is, imho not very democratic....jackson, hart other dem notables all fought it tooth and nail....


and now I am treated to listening to the granddaughter of Eisenhower telling us how she loves obama..reading her article I have so say, after 20 eyars in DC shes remarkably niave.
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well if they don't they'll be a lot of hoopla regards why they don't.......I am going to love watching Clinton try and impose her will on the super delegates she wined and dined in the 90’s in the Lincoln bedroom etc. while obama has a) greater “electability” and b) in all likely hood a marginal edge in elected delegates....and then there’s the black eye, no pun intended the party may wind up with regards disenfranchising the “brother”....for the white power broker struture extent.....

the whole super delegate thing is, imho not very democratic....jackson, hart other dem notables all fought it tooth and nail....


and now I am treated to listening to the granddaughter of Eisenhower telling us how she loves obama..reading her article I have so say, after 20 eyars in DC shes remarkably niave.
I've never been a great fan of the idea either. I am the "one person, one vote with political leaders and party delegates being honor- bound to vote the way their constituents want them to vote" kind of guy, you know.

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I've never been a great fan of the idea either. I am the "one person, one vote with political leaders and party delegates being honor- bound to vote the way their constituents want them to vote" kind of guy, you know.

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I too am not a big fan of the super delegate system which rewards people for have prestige. Like it or not, as the race stands now, super delegates are definitely going to have an effect.
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What's really frightening; this stranger comes out of nowhere.
Wrong. He was born in Hawai, a beautiful American state with a lot aloha's and sunny beaches. Having garduated from Harvard law school he worked as a community organizer in Illinois, another beautiful American state with Sears Tower, the longest in our country. Then he became the US Senator, a very respected position. He has, thus far, pioneered many good legislation there, creating bi-partizan support, which is what America really needs now.

If this is "coming out of nowhere," where did you come from, poor girl?

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He is articulate and charismatic.
Damn it, you are fu***ing right, chick.

Cyber-hater:
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He promises great things for America..'change'- without specifying what.
Promising great things for America looks like very "Lincoln, Roosevelt or Kennedy." And if you still think he has not specified about "change", have your brain circuits checked.

Maybe there is a cure for blind hatred and fanaticsm.

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The American public hang on every word. They follow in droves. They do not question.
Now you question American public's intelligence?

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Anyone who does dare to question is shouted down with screams of 'racist' and 'bigot'.
Now, time to whine. Go on, poor girl, you have many unvisited phases on your looong carreer of spreading hatred. "Whining" is just one of them.

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We know that so many of his supporters and backers are... The United Trinity Church of Christ, and the New Black Panthers Party and people such as billionare anti-Jewish, Tony Rezko and George Soros..
Now, now... I see you no longer feel the need to provide "reliable" sources. You say, "We know." You are you, exactly? Whom do you support? From what hole do you spew chain-mails, hatred messages and calls? By whom are you funded? Daniel Pipes and his gangs?

Die in your hatred, girl.
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I too am not a big fan of the super delegate system which rewards people for have prestige. Like it or not, as the race stands now, super delegates are definitely going to have an effect.
Obama has crushed Clinton in the last four states and is poşsed to repeat this on tuesday. A wide marging with "popular" delegates might help Obama gain on Clinton in the super delegate front.
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Now you question American public's intelligence?
Just to toss in my two cents here. If the American people in general had much intelligence, you wouldn't HAVE candidates successfully running on a platform of "change", now would you?
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Just to toss in my two cents here. If the American people in general had much intelligence, you wouldn't HAVE candidates successfully running on a platform of "change", now would you?
This looks like a "grand" progress after the same people elected a candidate in 2004 running on a platform of "fear."
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What do the candidates have for time-tables? I am under the impression that previous candidates have given us campaign promises without timetables for accomplishing those goals.

Consider a hypothetical time-table for establishing another state in historic Palestine, or a convention on unification; to be accomplished by the end of the first term in office. With such goal sets, the People would know whether or not some milestones have been achieved an would also serve as a guideline for re-election purposes.
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This looks like a "grand" progress after the same people elected a candidate in 2004 running on a platform of "fear."
I think it's more like a load of fools swallowing yet another slogan from a candidate looking for votes. And I'm looking back a lot farther than 2004. Bush may have contributed to the mess we have, but he sure as hell didn't START the decline.
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Bush may have contributed to the mess we have, but he sure as hell didn't START the decline.
You're right. But, considering no politicians ever man-up, and admit any sort of fault, the Blame Game just gets so OLD.

I want both sides of the aisle to admit that they share a lot of blame, and that both have the responsibility of cleaning everything up. The GOP had some Very Bad Ideas, and the Dems followed like puppy dogs.

"Bipartisanship" is a complete pipe dream, but wouldn't it be nice if they spent as much energy getting things done as they do passing the buck?

Dare to dream....
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You're right. But, considering no politicians ever man-up, and admit any sort of fault, the Blame Game just gets so OLD.

I want both sides of the aisle to admit that they share a lot of blame, and that both have the responsibility of cleaning everything up. The GOP had some Very Bad Ideas, and the Dems followed like puppy dogs.

"Bipartisanship" is a complete pipe dream, but wouldn't it be nice if they spent as much energy getting things done as they do passing the buck?

Dare to dream....
I agree, but I don't want them to "man-up". I want them GONE!

We can even keep the two parties, as long as the people in there now are turned out. If the idiot sheep would let their representatives know they are watching and will vote the OUT if they keep up the old ways, we would have something substantial going, and not just cheap sloganeering by presidential hopefuls.
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