well so far tis morning..I googled a combination of words- obama and pastor, that got one hit for abc and no other msm's.....obama and relgion- old content, obamas preacher zip msm, old contnt etc....hummm

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Is this really that different from the anti-Mormon smear tactics leveled against Mitt Romney when he was running? Who really cares what church Obama belongs to? Who really cares what his pastor says? If Obama, at any point in his political career, had shown any kind of support for mentalities like those of his pastor, I'd take charges like these seriously. But we're talking about religious affiliation here. If people want a clergyman to run for office, then nominate one. Until then, I'll take the politicians.

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In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.

"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."

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* This guy is a shit head. Obama is as much a shit head if he hasn't rejected this assholes "sermonizing" completely.

This kind of crap doesn't make him look good at ALL. *

Obama and the Minister - WSJ.com

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Exactly; being made to apologize for events his religion was engaged in 150 years ago was ridiculous, but that’s not just what this about, rfk. That’s affiliation. BUT, on the other hand, IF Romney’s church were still espousing these “questionable” stances and he was and bona fide involved member of such, that’s different.

And then there is the whole MSM thing. They thought that worthy of coverage and made it an issue. What now? I sense at least up to this point a double standard at work.


And frankly I do I care about influences in peoples lives as they are generally an indicator of what a person thinks, how they think etc. Of course making a decision as to how much one thinks that these influences will play upon thier stances and platforms in office is a crap shoot. But operating with out the information is difficult and makes the crapo shoot even longer on odds.

I see a pattern here, and its not one I think resonates with American values. Taking into account past statements made as part of a speech and in other venues under less onerous circumstances, off the cuff ala his wife etc. I am getting the feeling that, victimization is something not exactly discarded as a mantra either subliminally or more forthrightly in the Obama household, by and large, and this is curios and alarming to me.

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I am still of the opinion that the issues concerning the general welfare of the Union, are of more relevant at the national level than local concerns that only affect a "local" populace.

Solving for official poverty could render that point moot as a political issue.

I think most of our politicians have already gamed the system long enough with making political mountain issues of what are, in reality, political mole hill issues.

When are we going to start holding our elected federal officials accountable for issues that affect the Union, and not merely a segment of the Union?

Hello everyone, I would start a thread for this question but since I just joined the rules say I cannot. So I guess this would be a good place to ask. On Obama's website it says:

"Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines."

Source

I am very curious how he plans to add these 92,000 people to the armed forces? The only option I can think of is a draft. Does anyone know?

Possibly increase pay or benefits. Plans on a campaign site are meaningless since things always change once they are in office and see first hand what can or can't be done.

Yes, good point with the pay increase. The thing bugs me is that it says he WILL add those troops. So increasing the pay may attract more people but that still doesn't guarantee 92,000 people will join up.

If we have learned anything it is that campaign promises are not to be expected to be met once elected.

I agree. Although with the media picking every out every little thing politicians do ,about how they changed their view on this and that etc. I don't see why people don't actually bother to look things up on candidates, instead of just going with the crowd.

Campaign web sites do at least offer more info than voters had in the past although getting them to pay attention is a whole different challenge.

Obama denounces pastor's 9/11 comments - Yahoo! News

Obama wrote that he's looked to Wright for spiritual advice, not political guidance, and he's been pained and angered to learn of some of his pastor's comments for which he had not been present. A campaign spokesman said later that Wright was no longer on Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee, without elaborating.

Obama not only denouced wright but kicked him out of the commetee.

To me this is nothing more than guilt by association. If I decided not to vote for people based on things I didn't like that their preachers have said I would never vote again.

20 years......... not a drive by for votes on any given Sunday, not a dinner, 20 years....

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What was a black nationalist religious leader doing on that committee in the first place? He was only tossed off after being exposed on Youtube!? How come Barack did not have problem with the racist doctrines the church espoused or at least enough of a problem to keep this man off of his committee in the first place? By the way how do you that he was "kicked out?" It does not explain why or how he left the committee? Are you not merely jumping to conclusions?

So you believe it was wrong for the media to make an issue out of Ron Paul accepting a donation from Stormfront's Don Black? Do you believe it was wrong for people to attack Dr. David Duke for his past Klan-affiliation when he ran for office?

Tell me if it turned out that John McCain or Hillary Clinton use to be a member of the "National Socialist Movement" would you not closely examine them further based on this alone?