From my perspective all churches have something I could find about them that would be equally appalling from my point of view. I would say the church I was raised in rivals some things coming out of this preacher's mouth. I have learned to separate religious associations from political ones.

he got kicked out? I must have missed that....he left becasue obama said hey, you're gonna hurt me.....

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Those are more political in nature rather than religious. Being a member of those groups means excepting their view and purpose while a religious group may have a different core that it is based on beyond cherry picked views of the preacher which may not be related to the faith itself. I do think the things this guy said are awful and will make it a consideration in figuring out who I will vote for but it isn't a damning issue in and of itself.

And being a black member of a religious group that tells its members that only black men are worthy of allegiance is alright? This is from the website of this church; this goes beyond the mere opinion of a pastor but is part of the church belief structure:

http://www.tucc.org/scholarship_pdf/...e%20system.pdf

Interestingly enough this value system has apparently been removed from the front page Church website after "Hannity and Colmes" exposed them to the entire United States:

YouTube - Barack's Trinity Church (Part 1 of 2)
YouTube - Barack's Trinity Church (Part 2 of 2)

Here is the flimsy response from the TUCC:

Trinity United Church of Christ: Flimsy Response after being exposed: May change so read quick

Where is the print based "Black Value System" on the TUCC website? Did I miss it? They refuse to renounce it but where is it?

Obama is 100% in agreement with this preacher—anyone who doesn’t believe that needs to buy my oceanfront condo in North Dakota. Just read those hate-filled books of his.

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE". Barack Hussein Obama

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart." Barack Hussein Obama

From Dreams Of My Father: "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote, BLAMING "WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives." Barack Hussein Obama

From 'Dreams Of My Father', "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names" Barack Hussein Obama



"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."


Obama says he's never heard Wright spew his racist venom, huh?
Listen here:YouTube - Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...
Jeremiah Wright - Hillary Clinton ain't never been called...

...Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

"There is a man HERE who can take this country in a new direction," Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

The title of Obama's second book, "The Audacity of Hope," was taken from a sermon by Wright.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama's upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that.

"Hillary ain't never been called a n-----. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty." (snip)

BARACK OBAMA'S CONTROVERSIAL PASTOR PUTS CHURCH IN HOT WATER
FOXNews.com - Barack Obama's Controversial Pastor Puts Church In Hot Water - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

I would still like to hear the federal candidates platform on actually solving the issues of the Union.

I am very disappointed. I donated $200.00 to the Obama campaign, only to watch the videos of his 20 year Pastor Wright.

I have been to several Christian churches in my life-time. If any pastor would have gotten behind the pulpit & said--G-damm America, the entire congregation would have walked out. In no way would I become a member of a church that was racist, biased or talked trash about my country.

These people are cheering, jumping up & down & relish in the hateful statements about our country. Obama's church is a radical, racist, America hating organization.

No one is going to convince me, that Barack Obama, being a 20 year member of this church had no idea that his pastor made statements like that. It's obvious, that his pastor is a loose cannon & has always been one. I doubt this man is capable of keeping his mouth shut for 20 minutes, let alone 20 years. No one is going to convince me, that the these statements were off the cuff, & Barack Obama doesn't agree with them.

The churches we choose to attend are a direct representation of how we believe. Otherwise, we wouldn't go, or most likely, find another that best represented our beliefs.

Obama had many churches in Chicago he could choose from. He choose this one for a reason. The reason: This church, best represented how he felt about religion, politics, race, gender & America.

We see now, that Obama really doesn't have that good of judgement, after all.

From a broader perspective, blacks can still remember some of the issues from prior to our current state of civil rights.

The relatively recent phenomena of segregation took federal intervention to discredit that misuse of states' rights doctrine.

Blacks still have a disproportionate share of poverty and incarceration. Our current generation of politicians still haven't solved for official poverty that could ameliorate some of those issues.

Which candidate may be in a better position to understand the historical context of those issues?

I am still of the opinion, that we should hold our elected officials to a platform of eliminating official poverty. Simply engaging in deficit spending on a warfare-state industrial complex will never solve the underlying issue of poverty in the US.

In a mixed market economy, simply having an income is a better form of guaranteeing individual liberty than any amount of laws that tend to have the effect of denying and disparaging liberties to an individual.

And I'll bet you no longer attend that church. That's exactly the problem! Obama does.

People are in prision for doing something WRONG. It was the Clinton administration that did the 3 strikes & your out. Which I thought was a very good idea. This includes many whites whom are also in prision.

It appears to me that the majority of the white population was more than willing to support a black candidate. Obama didn't get where he is today, simply by blacks voting for him.

Obama makes more than the overwhelming majority of whites in this country.

Yet, Obama made a very poor judgement call. That is to become a member of a racist church, that also blames America for all of their problems. This will spell his doom.

No speech, or continual rejections of his pastor's hateful statements are going to override his 20 year membership into this organization. No one is going to believe his statements: That he didn't know.

If he is the democrat nominee, he is going lose.

One cannot move forward while continually looking out the rear view mirror.

I would like to see the whole passages of these statements, as I don't want to take them out of context as he may have gone on to then explain why he didn’t feel that way, after he left school etc. And even then, this may explain his predilection to wright.

if not, then this is an issue to be sure. And these passages as a stand alone quotes, points to something else, he was clearly parsing his feelings and here in made declarative statements that he saw and harbored grievance regards his place in society. If he does so now, I cannot of course attest too, but based on 20 years of attendance and affiliation with, one must wonder.

from cyberellas post-

From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE". Barack Hussein Obama

From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart." Barack Hussein Obama

From Dreams Of My Father: "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote, BLAMING "WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives." Barack Hussein Obama

From 'Dreams Of My Father', "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names" Barack Hussein Obama

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

There are plenty of people who are not in prison for doing something wrong. Even if we could blame it on forms of ineffective social justice due to simple error, which segment of the population is bearing the brunt of that form of social injustice?

In a mixed market economy, an income (money) can be considered a requirement for any individual. How is any given segment of individuals supposed to be market friendly, when they they can be "arbitrarily" blacklisted from providing labor input to the economy resulting from a form of social injustice?

I am still of the opinion, that the candidates would actually be rendering proper service to our Union, if they provide actual solutions to our current socioeconomic problems.

I would too, & they have had several debates. The problem everyone has, is we don't know Obama. He is the new kid on the street. We have no clues as to his background, he certainly has no legislative (senate) experience, & he is running for the leader of the free world, based on good speeches.

With Pastor Wright, the monkey on his back, it gives Americans great pause as too who exactly is Barack Obama & just how does he think. Right now, it's looking very bleak for Obama.

This story is not going to go away anytime soon.

It's nice to see someone who still has some objectivity left and is willing to admit when they were wrong. I have to admit that a part of me was hoping that Barack was for real, but I just couldn't bring myself to believe it. Without any history or accomplishments by this man, I wasn't willing to through my support behind him.

As a conservative I am not too thrilled with our alternative in John McCain, but I know that he would be far better for America than a closet racist and America hater.

Hey, girl, did not you believe that Obama was a Muslim?

Are we supposed to believe in what you are telling us now that you swallowed your earlier allegations?

Girl, before going on, decide what Obama is: A Muslim? A Christian?