Perhaps judged a person by your stereotypes of a religion that he doesn't even follow rather than by his merits as an individual.

Oh. Explain this:
Muscatine, Ia. - Illinois Sen.
'NOBODY IS SUFFERING MORE THAN THE PALENTINIAN PEOPLE,' OBAMA SAID, while on the final leg of his weekend trip to eastern Iowa.
The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas, a political party that does not recognize Israel's sovereignty and is listed by several countries - including the United States - as a terrorist organization. The United States and other nations imposed restrictions on aid when Hamas gained power last year.
DesMoinesRegister.com

and this:
THE HALAL FOOD ACT WAS SPONSORED BY BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMS. in August 2001.
"This law will give Muslims in Illinois confidence that the Halal food products they buy are indeed prepared according to Islamic law."'
"Senate Bill 750 was sponsored in by Senators Christine Radogno, R-La Grange, Laurence Walsh, D-Elwood, Barack Obama,..."
Illinois.gov - Illinois Government News Network (IGNN) - Search the News Results
Obama's pastor admits concerns over candidate's ties to Islam
Chad Groening
OneNewsNow.com
March 21, 2007
The head of a pro-Israel ministry is praising the PASTOR OF Democratic presidential candidate Barack OBAMA'S church for ADMITTING HIS CONCERNS ABOUT the Illinois senator's (OBAMA's) ASSOCIATION WITH THE PALESTINIANS AND THE NATION OF ISLAM leader Louis Farrakhan.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/ob...s_concerns.php
...in two separate interviews, Pastor Wright has REVEALED HIS CONCERNS ABOUT OBAMA'S PRO-ISLAMIC LEANINGS.
Markell FEARS THAT IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL BLATANTLY TURN ITS BACK ON ISRAEL- AND SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES later.
OBAMA'S PASTOR, REV WRIGHT, TOLD THE NEW YORK TIMES in an interview published March "WHEN HIS (OBAMA) ENEMIES FIND OUT THAT IN 1984 HE WENT TO TRIPOLI WITH THE NATION OF ISLAM LEADERI Louis Farrakhan TO VISIT LIBYAN LEADER MOAMMAR GADHAFI,"a lot of HIS JEWISH SUPPORT WILL DRY UP quicker than a snowball in hell."
In a statement to the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, Gibbs amended that declaration, saying: “Obama has never been a practicing Muslim,” the key word being “practicing.”
But a BOYHOOD FRIEND of Obama in Indonesia, Zulfin Adi, TOLD THE TIMES; "His mother often went to the church, but Barry [Barack’s name at the time] was Muslim. HE WENT TO THE MOSQUE.”
HIS FIRST GRADE TEACHER Israella Dharmawan TOLD THE TIMES: “At that time, Barry was also praying in a Catholic way, but Barry was Muslim. HE WAS REGISTERED AS A MUSLIM because his father was Muslim.”
IN THE THIRD GRADE, OBAMA TRANSFERRED TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL, WHERE HE WAS ALSO REGISTERED AS A MUSLIM. MUSLIM STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL ATTENDED WEEKLY RELIGION LESSONS ABOUT ISLAM, TAUGHT BY A MUSLIM.



Tell me Hussein's cover church isn't racist and black Supremacist!

He joined a Christian church because he knew it was a good cover. A Muslim might have trouble getting into the presidency. DECEPTION and lies are allowed in Islam to achieve its goal. The word for this is taqiyya.

Just read the statement from this church and insert White where it states Black. Trinity United Church of Christ
Trinity United Church of Christ;
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. "WE ARE AFRICAN PEOPLE, AND REMAIN TRUE TO OUR NATIVE LAND"..
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
Commitment to God
COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY
COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK FAMILY
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
ADHERENCE TO THE BLACK WORK ETHIC
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO ALL BLACK LEADERSHIP WHO ESPOUSE AND EMBRACE THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY



Stereopype of a religion??
You know, after 9/11 I started asking myself why? Why would someone hate us enough to murder almost 3,000 innocent people in cold blood?
I started doing research on the net and reading books- including the Koran. I came to the conclusion that it all boils down to the fact that in the eyes of Islamists we are INFIDELS.
I found that the Koran is a MANUAL FOR MURDER. I found these telling verses:

!. THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO FIGHT
WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. (2.216)

2 THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO CONQUER OTHER COUNTRIES
Sura 33 "And he bequeathed to you their lands, their homes and their possessions, together with land you have never trodden" (33.27) .

3 THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO LY IN WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE STRONG ENOUGH IN NUMBERS TO CONQUER A COUNTRY
"Be patient with unbelievers until you have strength" (86.17).
(Muslims are quiet until they have the numbers to start demanding their way in the country they have invaded)

4.THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO HATE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
Fight those among the People of the Book [i.e. Jews and Christians] ... who do not profess the true religion, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued. (9.29)

5.THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO LIE AND DECEIVE
Quran 3:28 Don't have unbelieving friends unless it is to deceive them. Remember the final goal is to Allah.

6.THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO KILL ALL WHO DO NOT BELIEVE/OPPOSE ISLAM
Quran 4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.

7 THE KORAN TELLS THEM TO CONVERT/KILL ALL UNTIL ISLAM RULES THE WORLD
"AND FIGHT THEM UNTIL THERE IS NO PERSECUTION , AND RELIGION SHALL BE ONLY FOR ALLAH 2:193

8 THE KORAN TELLS THEM ISLAM WILL RULE THE WORLD
Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS

AND THE HEAD OF CAIR, THE MOST POWERFUL ISLAM ORGANIZATION IN THE U.S.
BLATANTLY STATES THE AIM OF ISLAM IS TO CONQUER AMERICA!!
"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else." OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.

"Everything we need to know is in the Koran"???? "...become dominant"??? "the only accepted religion on earth"??? This is from one of the founders of CAIR!

Mosques here in America are spreading hatred:
http://www.hudson.org/files/publicat...Propoganda.pdf


Freedom House's Muslim volunteers went to 15 prominent mosques from New York to San Diego and collected more than 200 books and other publications disseminated by Saudi Arabia (some 90% in Arabic) in mosque libraries, publication racks, and bookstores.

What they found can only be described as horrifying. These writings - each and every one of them sponsored by the kingdom - espouse an anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, misogynist, jihadist, and supremacist outlook. For example, they:

Among the key findings of the report:

Various Saudi government publications gathered for the study, most of which are in Arabic, assert it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews and warn against imitating, befriending, or helping them in any way or taking part in their festivities and celebrations;

The documents promote contempt for the United States because it is ruled by legislated civil law rather than by totalitarian Wahhabi-style Islamic law. They condemn democracy as un-Islamic;

The documents stress that when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines. Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money to be later employed in the jihad against the infidels, or they are there to proselytize the infidels until at least some convert to Islam.
Any other reason for lingering among the unbelievers in their lands is illegitimate, and unless a Muslim leaves as quickly as possible, he or she is not a true Muslim and so too must be condemned. For example, a document in the collection for the "Immigrant Muslim" bears the words "Greetings from the Cultural Attache in Washington, D.C." of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia, and is published by the government of Saudi Arabia.

In an authoritative religious voice, it gives detailed instructions on how to "hate" the Christian and Jew: Never greet them first. Never congratulate the infidel on his holiday. Never imitate the infidel. Do not become a naturalized citizen of the United States. Do not wear a graduation gown because this imitates the infidel;


Other Muslims, especially those who advocate tolerance, are condemned as infidels. The opening fatwa in one Saudi embassy-distributed book, published by the Saudi Air Force, responds to a question about a Muslim preacher in a European mosque who taught that it is not right to condemn Jews and Christians as infidels. The Saudi state cleric's reply rebukes the Muslim cleric: "He who casts doubts about their infidelity leaves no doubt about his." Since, under Saudi law, "apostates' from Islam can be sentenced to death, this is an implied death threat against the tolerant Muslim imam, as well as an incitement to vigilante violence;

Sufi and Shiite Muslims are viciously condemned;

For a Muslim who fails to uphold the Saudi Wahhabi sect's sexual mores [i.e. through homosexual activity or heterosexual activity outside of marriage], the edicts published by the Saudi government's Ministry of Islamic Affairs and found in American mosques advise "it would be lawful for Muslims to spill his blood and to take his money";

Regarding those who convert out of Islam, the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs explicitly asserts, they "should be killed";

Saudi textbooks and other publications in the collection, propagate a Nazi-like hatred for Jews, treat the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion as historical fact, and avow that the Muslim's duty is to eliminate the state of Israel;

Regarding women, the Saudi publications instruct that they should be veiled, segregated from men and barred from certain employment and roles;
The report states: "While the government of Saudi Arabia claims to be 'updating' or reforming its textbooks and study materials within the kingdom, its publications propagating an ideology of hatred remain plentiful in some prominent American mosques and Islamic centers, and continue to be a principal resource available to students of Islam within the United States."

The Center for Religious Freedom said the research, translation and principle analysis of the materials for the report were carried out by both Muslims and non-Muslims who wish to remain anonymous for reasons of security.

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

He is perceptive about human suffering. Nothing wrong with that and it doesn't tie him to any kind of terrorism.

He is willing to consider their religious observances. I have nothing against tolerance.

And the fact that you think you can judge his religious convictions one way or the other is laughable. Then again you haven't judged anything but merely cut and pasted things that agree with your paranoia. Your main objection seems to be that he isn't a typical Christian white voter when your doubts about his Christianity are still nothing but assumption. And shouldn't you at least say what your sources are since you rely on them so much?

Most politicians will not tell you their honest opinion on some controversial issues, but to suggest that Obama has a hidden Muslim/black supremacy agenda is ridiculous.

I don't have time to work out oll your issues for you cyberella but this one is particularly stupid:

This Bill was signed into law by Republican Governor George Ryan and had sponsors from both parties. It's a truth in advertising law. If a food is advertised as being in compliance with Islamic Law, don't Muslim's have they right to trust that it actually is? There are similar laes regarding Kosher foods for Jewish people.

*high fives partofme and supplies'm with a miniature pirate hat with a matching parrot*


avast ye cyberella!

part'ome gave the answer i was going to give, and in a succinct way.

i can understand yer discomfort, matey...'least i think i can. any bigoted pirate can find some fault usin' the "guilt by association" kinda approach yer using. heck, if i were so inclined, im sure i could cut'n paste a similar piece 'o work on mr. romney, via his association with mormons. as i said before, you can probably find yerself a good audience fer this kinda talk (though apparently not on USPOL).

i say keep at it matey. just because alotta folk disagree with ya, doesn't mean you be wrong. i sorta lean towards agreein' with the relentless moon alot 'o the time, though the tide 'o USPOL often flows against him, but if he suddenly took his pegleg, eyepatch, cutlass, and hoisted his flag on another blog elsewhere, we'd be less fer it.

yer way 'o lookin' at things, though sorta ugly in me own eyes, is still in an odd way, refreshing, and i think it be instructional fer those who disagree with you to be made aware that folk like you exist.

i find yer point 'o view, while distasteful, very exotic. wind at yer back, matey!!!!

*salutes*

-MeadHallPirate

Thanks. Moon reminds me of the pro-Israel types only on the other side. Many on here act like Palestinians are always wrong and Israel is always right and Moon seems to think the same thing only in reverse.

It seems to me by reading this thread that some people are reaching beyond legitimate reasons not to vote for Obama.

Being ignorant is acceptable but spreading ignorance is irresponsible.

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The world could use more Stan Ovshinsky's

I'm going to ask a simple question.

Let's assume Obama is a Muslim masquerading as a Christian, and he wins the Democratic nomination, and he gets elected to the Presidency.

What do you seriously think would happen then, Cyberella?

Though I don't pretend to know if what you're saying is true,(I fear Hillary more) I agree in that I definitely don't want Obama as president. It's bad enough that blacks push their PC agends forward in all mediums, but actually get one of them in the White House, and normal white Christians will be in for a whole lot of trouble.!!!

Unfortunately, a person's religius beliefs are valid factors to consider when electing a Presedent as their religous beliefs and values will likely drive their decision making regarding domestc and foreign policy. In Obama's case, if he has Islamic beliefs, it is a very valid factor to consider given that thie next President will spend a lot of time with foreign policy decisoions relating the Middle East Countries.

Personally, however, I am much more concerned ablout his lack of experience in a singular role of leadership. There is nothing like putting someone on the hot seat to educute them on transforming them from just an idealistic thinker to a person able to generate realistic plans and objectives.

Cyberella, plese tag quotes and references in your posts correctly. I’m finding it difficult to work out which bits of text in your posts are quotes from other posters, which bits are from external sources, and which bits are your own comments. And please refrain re-posting lengthy cut and paste articles you have already posted (Just refer or link back to the relevant post number).

In your post #13, you write:

You reiterate this argument in your post #20.

Please explain your rationale for citing “Islamic law in these posts to argue that Barack Obama cannot be an ex-Muslim, while in your post #38, you implore us to visit the Faith Freedom International website Faith Freedom International, which claims to be “a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims.”?

Also, how do you explain that Haaretz israel gives Obama a middling score in its ranking of Presidential candidates?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerPage.jhtml

Or why the American Israel Public Affairs Committee also gives him a positive review?

And why do you infer that Obama supports Hamas, when he has said:

Sen. Obama: U.S. must support Israel's right to self defense - Haaretz - Israel News

And what of this speech by Obama on U.S. policy in the Middle East, posted on the site of the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations website, where he categorically condemns Al-Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah?

Obama on U.S. policy in the Middle East - Council on Foreign Relations

As to the Trinity United Church, I did find the mission statement confronting, but I also tried to understand it. The link to Dr. Wright’s talking points offered an informative insight into this mission statement (You quote Pastor Wright in your posts re his views of Obama).

Trinity United Church of Christ

In any case, so far, all you have tried to do is to discredit Barack Obama by repeatedly posting cut-and-paste negative accounts of Islam. You display the very same kind of intolerance that you condemn.

Tethys

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-- Harry S. Truman

Finally! A voice of reason in the wilderness!
Obama's cover church is BLATANTLY BLACK SUPREMACIST. If a white church put forth the kind of dogma that Obam's racist church does, the media would be all over it. They would be run out of town on a rail!
As far as not knowing if the facts about Obama's Islamic past and ties is true, just do the research. Don't take my word for it.
Hillary is to be feared, for sure. But I fear Obama more.
At this stage of the game, it's possible he's running for VP- anything to get the black/Muslim agenda in the White House.
Hillary would accept him as VP candidate in a heartbeat, and he would jump on it in a heartbeat. This just might be a winning combination.
Obama must be stopped.

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As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're just a female Stephen Colbert. The religious aspect of his candidacy is irrelevant. Like Americans are going to start having to read the Koran if he makes it into the White House. Come on. Get real. The issues that you should have against Obama are his weak stance on immigration and his not-very-clear ideas about Iraq and the rest of the Middle East and his inexperience. We're already saddled with a President who knew nothing about the world when he first started, so why vote for another one who will take the better part of the year just to get comfortable?

Personally, if I lived in your neck of the woods, I would go for Ron Paul, the most decent man in Texas in my book right now. He's just truthin' all over the place and he makes you feel like wanting to get smarter about the world. Love him.

This is a classic example of how the echo chamber of the right wing media works. Start with a ridiculous premise: "Barack Obama is a Muslim" continue to repeat it even after it is thoroughly discredited and eventually portions of the premise will become accepted as fact. Now The Greek incorporates the false premise that Obama is Muslim into a statement about how his (non-existent) Islamic beliefs might affect his decision making. You are looking at a sneak preview of how the Rush-bots will deal with Obama if he becomes the candidate. Forget the issues, dude is an islamofacist!!!!