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Re: Thoughts on Obama

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There a plenty of people out there who will stop him.
Sounds like a threat.
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I'M racist????

How about Obama's racist, black supremacy 'cover up' church???
I am not condemning Hussein Obama for the color of his skin!! I am condemning him for his black supremacy stance and racism as witnessed by the 'church' he belongs to.
I am not condemning all Muslims, but the evil ideology that is Islam.
I am condemning him for being a Muslim and lying about it and using a 'Christian' church to cover it up.
I am condemning him for going to a Muslim school where he was taught the hate for Jews and Christians from the Koran.
I am condemning him for his close association and friendship with THE NATION OF ISLAM LEADERI Louis Farrakhan and other terrorist sympathizers .

No book EVER published is more racist than Obama's Koran which teaches hate for Jews and Christians and ALL unbelievers- and to convert or KILL them. No other religion on earth but Islam teaches that.

If you or Obama think that he's going to ride all the way the White House on the race card, 'affirmative action,' you've got another thought coming. There a plenty of people out there who will stop him.

"The Sheriff is a "N-*-*-*-*-*"!!!

There's a lot of people who will feel this way if Obama wins the presidency. Get over it.

There's definitely an exorbitant amount of fear mongering about terrorists, but that is a new thing. Fear mongering about Jews or Blacks has been around for a long time and apparently is still propagated in the backwards corners of our country.
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

Obama is a decent enough guy,
but he stands on the wrong side of most issues IMHO.

He has no chance of winning the election , again IMHO.
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Personally I think he might be a good leader, though I am more conserned about his lack of experience. Hios religion and race have very little impact as far as his bill passing, because after all, he only get one veto, and even that can be over ridden by the "White Christian" Senent and congress.
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I shouldn't've talked to you but Cyberella you -deserve a loooong list of confutation. Such a long list of confutation that, just as you made all these decent people tired and sick of your repeatedly-repeated post, we will make you sick and tired and, thus, you go and take few headache pills, which is good for you.

All the people here asked for proof to back up the arguments you bring forward. But, clearly, it sounds such that you talk out of fear and anxiety and xenophobia and extremism and racism and hatred and intolerance and the feeling of being/getting mariginalized while Obama supporters and lovers speak out of love, mercy, tolerance, hope -- hope for Israelis and Palestinians, for Jews, Chrisitians and Muslims, for the poor and rich, for the wretched and departed, for human race and environment. Such a big stream of hope and love could awash even the most ardent supporters of dark, extremist, hatful and racist ideologies.

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There a plenty of people out there who will stop him.
People like you threatened and killed M. Luther King but his message and legacy have prevailed and lived. People of dark, extremist ideology killed Malcolm X, yet, he lived and lasted beyond even the killers' imagination. People of extremist ideology killed Lincoln, and he is loved and admired and cherished by millions of Americans and millions of people in the world.

Extremists and the mariginalized don't last long. They are hated, cursed and forgotten. People like Daniel Pipes and like you, Cybarella, are getting smaller and smaller. The dirty game, which is to drive wedges among Americans of different faith and race, will soon kick back. Wait for Nov. 2008.
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I’m looking for a substantial change in direction that marks the beginning of a new political era. Like the author of the piece, I think Obama is the only candidate who has the potential of bringing this about. Anybody else feel the same way?



Much more (long article)
.................................................. .................................................

The crux: Re Sullivan;

"At its best, the Obama candidacy is about ending a war—not so much the war in Iraq, which now has a mo*mentum that will propel the occupation into the next decade—but the war within America that has prevailed since Vietnam and that shows dangerous signs of intensifying, a nonviolent civil war that has crippled America at the very time the world needs it most. It is a war about war—and about culture and about religion and about race. And in that war, Obama—and Obama alone—offers the possibility of a truce"

IMO "Observation"
Swarming:...... Recent studies in respect to this phenominum on lower animals,insects and humans bring us ever closer to understanding and influencing this behavior. Some global elements (one in particular) seem to jhave an edge in mastering the required skills.

A recent request fo comment in respect to the Obama/ Russett interview on "Face The Nation" caused me to wonder about the process of collective thought and influences when the majority of those responding to the request produced judgements of Russett's performance rather than Obama's

I believe Sullivan has focused on the essence of "Why Obama".

As in Bird migration (it is said) "only a few of the birds know where they are going" and the rest simply follow. Is that our stage of evolution ?
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Re: Thoughts on Obama

I'm not sure what to expect of Obama at tomorrow's Nevada debate. He's on the wrong side of immigration. They all are. And Nevada is the kind of state that could vote the other way this time, too. I expect John Edwards to win tomorrow because he's the southern guy. How does Obama take Nevada? Where are the votes? I think the more Hillary gets beat up and the more Obama gets aggressive rather than talking about his ideas, it opens things for Edwards.
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I shouldn't've talked to you but Cyberella you -deserve a loooong list of confutation. Such a long list of confutation that, just as you made all these decent people tired and sick of your repeatedly-repeated post, we will make you sick and tired and, thus, you go and take few headache pills, which is good for you.

All the people here asked for proof to back up the arguments you bring forward. But, clearly, it sounds such that you talk out of fear and anxiety and xenophobia and extremism and racism and hatred and intolerance and the feeling of being/getting mariginalized while Obama supporters and lovers speak out of love, mercy, tolerance, hope -- hope for Israelis and Palestinians, for Jews, Chrisitians and Muslims, for the poor and rich, for the wretched and departed, for human race and environment. Such a big stream of hope and love could awash even the most ardent supporters of dark, extremist, hatful and racist ideologies.

People like you threatened and killed M. Luther King but his message and legacy have prevailed and lived. People of dark, extremist ideology killed Malcolm X, yet, he lived and lasted beyond even the killers' imagination. People of extremist ideology killed Lincoln, and he is loved and admired and cherished by millions of Americans and millions of people in the world.

Extremists and the mariginalized don't last long. They are hated, cursed and forgotten. People like Daniel Pipes and like you, Cybarella, are getting smaller and smaller. The dirty game, which is to drive wedges among Americans of different faith and race, will soon kick back. Wait for Nov. 2008.
Good post.

As I cited in my post #102, Cyberella and another new poster, “The Infidel”, post on the Jewish Task Force (JTF) forum.

Cyberella profile at JTF forum
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“The Infidel” profile at JTF forum
View the profile of The Infidel.

The JTF describes Martin Luther King as a “Communist white-hater and Jew-ater”

JTF also says:

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Of course, there are some major differences between the 1960s "civil rights" protests and what we are proposing.

First, King and the other Communist "civil rights" protesters were fighting for an unjust cause, while our effort to save America is very just.
Jewish Task Force (JTF.ORG): Needed: Hilltop Youth To Save America

The JTF is so extreme in its political views that its National Chairman, Chaim Ben Pesach, is currently banned from Israel

JTF Forum - Index

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As I cited in my post #102, Cyberella and another new poster, “The Infidel”, post on the Jewish Task Force (JTF) forum.

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Thanks for the reminder, Tethys; it is a good catch that I, being new to this forum, had failed to notice.

Cyberella, you got caught. Now I believe you will need to spread that message of hatred of yours in some other place where you will end up with the same fate of being refuted and rejected.

I believe you are a decent person and we, Obama supporters, are open to constructive and just criticism, since we know we, too, are not free from flaws. The problem is that the message you spread can only be found in the most extremist corners of the web and guess who loves to be there: Daniel Pipes (an extremist Muslim-hater), John Bolten (an extremist Iran hater), Paul Wolfowitz (an extremist blood-thirsty man, the architect of Iraq war) and the like. Now, dost thee like to be on their cart which goes to hell?

By the way, Obama continues to gather support from different layers of our nation. A must-read article on Obama's foreign policy judgement and courage by General Tony McPeak in the Huffington Post:

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"Barack Obama put his political career on the line in 2002 to speak out against a "dumb war" and "a rash war" in Iraq. He warned of, "an occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined costs, with undetermined consequences." Read this speech - he got it right...

Hillary Clinton made a different choice. For starters, she refused to even read the National Intelligence Estimate that was made available to Senators before the vote for war - an NIE that was so thin that Bob Graham, the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, decided to vote against the war when he read it...

Barack Obama, on the other hand, opposed the war in Iraq in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007. Just this morning, the Washington Post feature "The Facts" found, "Of the major Democratic candidates, Barack Obama has been the most consistent on Iraq." Obama introduced comprehensive legislation to bring our troops home in January. He voted earlier this year to stop giving George Bush a blank check (Senator Clinton waited until after he voted, before casting her own vote). And he has proposed removing all of our combat brigades in sixteen months, and opposes using our troops in Iraq to counter Iran.

If the American people are looking for who has the strength and experience to end the war, they should look very carefully at who had the strength and experience to get Iraq right from the beginning. Because the Clinton campaign may be able to plant Senator Clinton's questions, but they can't change her record, or Senator Obama's answers."
Gen. Tony McPeak: Obama Was Right on the War From the Start - Politics on The Huffington Post
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[QUOTE=Cyberella;1104192]Oh, so NOW we're pulling the bigot card, are we? Forget racist? (well, maybe you're bright enought to know Islam is not a race) I am NOT putting down all Muslims.


Excerpts:
Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS

"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else." OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.
(What does THAT tell you??)"

"Pope Declares Catholicism The One True Christian Religion ...Pope Declares Catholicism The One True Christian Religion .... If you believe the Roman Catholic Church is the One True Church, then you're Catholic, ...
Pope Declares Catholicism The One True Christian Religion - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime - 64k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this"

Truncated:
"Pope: Other Faiths Have "Defects"The Pope has declared that no church other than the Roman Catholic Church is ... the only true church,"

(what does that tell you ????
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"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else." OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.
(What does THAT tell you??)"
You got these false quotes from Daniel Pipes' Cair Watch web site, right? Dost thou not know that Daniel Pipes is an ardent hater and foe of any Muslims in America? Have you ever heard of his another web site, campus watch, where he tracks, finds and suppresses brutally any actions in which his maniac brain smells anything anti-Zionist?
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THE ILLUSTRIOUS LIFE OF THE ESTEEMED SENATOR HUSEEIN OBAMA:
A life of devotion to Islam, hate of the white man, lies fabrications and dirty dealings.
(the notes in parentheses are mine)

Barack Hussein Obama, an African-American who has not shared the black American experience, was a Muslim for 27 years (according to Islam, he still is) and is a master at shaping his own mythology.



1936
Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (Senior) is born in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya. He is a member of the Luo tribe and grew up in the sleepy village of Alego-Kogello.

Senior's father is Hussein Onyango Obama (Grandfather). He was born about 1895 and died in 1979. He was a prominent and wealthy farmer.
(Hussein Obama says his father was 'a poor goat farmer')

Grandfather lived for a time in Zanzibar, where he converted from Christianity to Islam. He was one of the first Muslim converts in his village.

"What your grandfather respected was strength. Discipline," Obama quoted his grandmother as telling him. "This is also why he rejected the Christian religion.

"For a brief time, he converted, and even changed his name to Johnson. But he could not understand such ideas as mercy towards your enemies, or that this man Jesus could wash away a man's sins."

"To your grandfather, this was foolish sentiment, something to comfort women," she added. "And so he converted to Islam -- he thought its practices conformed more closely to his beliefs."

Grandfather had several wives. His first wife was Helima, with whom he had no children. Second, he married Akuma and they had Sarah Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Auma Obama.

Grandfather's third wife was Sarah, the one often referred to by Obama as his "grandmother."

Sarah was the primary caregiver for Senior after his mother, Akuma, left the family when her children were still young.
Birth Certificate?

Marriage Certificates?

Grandfather - several wives

Senior - four wives

Obama is the logical extension of "It Takes a Village."

And people are worried about Mitt Romney?

1943
Shirley Ann (Anna) Dunham born in Wichita, Kansas and would eventually live in 13 different places.

Anna Dunham's forebears were slaveholders.

One of Obama's great-great-great-great grandfathers, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves who were recorded in the 1850 Census in Nelson County, Ky. The same records show that one of Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers, Mary Duvall, also owned two slaves.
Birth Date - Certificate?

Little to no information on Anna Dunham available.
She's a mystery woman.
(We DO know that she is the one who cared for Hussein O and sent him to college. His Muslim father deserted him- yet he seems to worship him. Typical; the woman is worthless)

1953
At 18, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (Senior) marries a girl called Kezia from the local village.
Documents?

1957
Senior is awarded a scholarship, to the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

Senior's scholarship is organized by a former Kenyan cabinet minister, the late Tom Mboya, who was earmarked as Jomo Kenyatta's successor.

1958
Senior arrives at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. He is twenty-three years old.

Kezia, who is pregnant, remains in Kenya. Senior would have two more children with Kezia in subsequent years.

1960 Senior marries a fellow student Anna Dunham. Dunham is eighteen years old and an anthropology student. They are both students at the East-West Center.

Obama would later write, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I’ve never had the courage to explore."
What Date?

Marriage Certificate?

Bigamy?

1961
Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is born on August 4th, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Birth Certificate?

1963
After rejecting a scholarship at the Marxist New School for Social Research in New York City that would have paid for his family to come with him, Senior abandons Anna and Obama for Harvard, claiming there was no allotment for his family.

Obama is approximately 2 years old when his father abandons the family.
How long was he at Harvard?

Was there a divorce?
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Life of the illustrious Obama (cont)


1963
Kenyatta seizes control of a self-governing Kenya as its first prime minister.

1963
In June, Senior returns to Kenya and joins the Kenyatta government.
He's in Kenya in June? That's less than two years since Obama's birth.

How long was Senior at Harvard?

???? Senior marries his third wife, an American-born teacher called Ruth, whom he had met at Harvard while still legally married to both Kezia and Ann and who followed him to Africa.

Senior also had two children with Ruth.
More on Ruth?

1966 Schooling - when and where does Obama begin school? Verify
1968 Obama's mother marries Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo, who is either an oil company executive or an official of the Director General's office in the TNI Topography division of the Indonesian Army.

Lolo Soetoro is a Muslim and promptly moves his new family to Jakarta, Indonesia, the worlds most populous Muslim country.

Subsequently, Lolo and Anna will have one daughter, Obama's step-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng. It is she who places Obama in Jakarta, Indonesia, from 1968 through 1973.

In Obama's account of this move, he states his mother was shocked to discover how her new husband reverted to chauvinist Indonesian ways as soon as he left America and that Indonesia was a nasty right-wing dictatorship (although the latter doesn’t jibe with her spending much of the rest of her life in that country).

To Obama, his mother is a Kumbaya-era liberal. He feels that she messed up her life due to naïve faith in Third World countries and Third World men.

Years later, when he’s working on Wall Street, he’s creeped out by his visiting mother’s insistence on seeing her favorite film, the 1959 Brazilian art-house classic "Black Orpheus." He belatedly realizes that his very fair-skinned mother is sexually attracted to dark men. He pompously intones, "The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

Wallace-Wells mentions in Rolling Stone:

There is an amazingly candid moment in Obama’s autobiography when he writes of his childhood discomfort at the way his mother would sexualize African-American men. "More than once," he recalls, "my mother would point out Harry Belafonte is the best-looking man on the planet." What the focus groups his advisers conducted revealed was that Obama’s political career now depends, in some measure, upon a tamer version of this same feeling, on the complicated dynamics of how white women respond to a charismatic black man.

Early in his run for the U.S. Senate in 2004, Obama’s pollsters discovered that women loved him, especially nice white ladies who like personalities more than politics and definitely don’t like political arguments.
Photo of Anna Sotero in her Muslim outfit.

Wish I knew what that pendant around Obama's neck represents?

1968
The "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" blog reports that Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam.

Catholic schools accept non-Catholics worldwide. Non-Catholic students are typically excused from religious instruction and ceremony.
Citizen of Indonesia?

1969
Obama enters Class 2 of the Assisi Primary School.

1970
Obama enters Class 3 of the Assisi Primary School.

1971
Obama's family moves from H Ramir Street to Dempo Street.

1971
Obama enters the Besuki Primary School, a government school. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim.

Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. "He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,'" the teacher said.

Obama's sister Maya, has also said, "There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president."
Six or seven and he wants to be president?

Watch out for these guys.
1971
All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school and a young Barry Soetoro, being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school.

He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam.

In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," Obama mentions studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school."
Obama no longer (2007) denies he was a Muslim. He now says he wasn’t a "practicing Muslim"

1971
According to Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers and the principal from 1971 throuh 1989, Barry actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. His teacher was named Maimunah and she lived in the Puncak area, the Cianjur Regency.

"I remembered that he had studied "menjaji" (recitation of the Quran)" Tine said.
Comments made in 2007

1972
Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amir said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya ... all of the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"

"We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny," said Rony.

Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry's father were very devout Muslims"

Rony extrapolates further, that Obama at one point had to change his religion if he ever intended later to run for the office of President of the United States because America would never elect a Muslim to the be President of the United States.
Comments made in 2007

1972
Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, "He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a 'sarong', at that time."

"He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion."
Comments made in 2007

1973
Upon Dunham's divorce from Lolo she sent 10-year-old Barack to live with her parents in Honolulu, while she and his half-sister stayed in Indonesia.

Dunham would remain in Indonesia until her death in 1995 from cancer.


Meanwhile, Obama would describe his grandparents, the people who raised him, as "white folk."
White folk? -- gag!
1973
Barry Soetoro is enrolled in the prestigious Punahou School and becomes Barack Hussein Obama.

From adolescence onward, Obama wanted a race to belong to, a team whose accomplishments would reflect well upon him. Of course, it was unthinkable in his liberal white family to take pride in the achievements of his mother’s race, so Obama gloried in being part of his absent father’s race.

From the age of ten onward, though, Obama desperately wants to be black: “I was trying to raise myself to be a black man in America, and beyond the given of my appearance, no one around me seemed to know exactly what that meant.” Honolulu’s paucity of African-Americans means he has to learn to be black from the media: “TV, movies, the radio; those were places to start. Pop culture was color-coded, after all, an arcade of images from which you could cop a walk, a talk, a step, a style.”
What Grade? -- 6th?


1974 He cherishes every cause for complaint he can discern against white folks. He is constantly distressed at being half-white. Obama says he “ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites,”

When his grandmother wants a ride to work because the day before, while awaiting the bus, she was threatened by a black panhandler, he is outraged -- at his grandparents.

Later, when he moves to the South Side of Chicago in 1984, he eventually discovers that, like his grandmother, he’s sometimes scared of black males on the street, too.


1978
While at Punahou School, Obama remembers that he was tortured by fellow pupils - who let out monkey hoots - and he turns into a disenchanted teenage rebel, experimenting with cocaine and marijuana.

In his book, Obama recalls that he had "been headed" to the status of "junkie" or "pothead", which he describes as "the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man". He recalls smoking "reefer" in the backs of his friends' vans, dorm rooms and "on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school".

That is not what Bryon Leong, a former classmate, remembers.

"He was known as a partier, as a guy looking for a good time, but not much more," Mr Leong said. "There was pot in Hawaii in the 1970s, but it wasn't a big deal."

"It wasn't like guys were smoking dope on campus and coming to school high," said Eric Kusunoki, 57, Obama's teacher from age 15 to 18. "If they did, it would have been pretty obvious. If he did dabble with drugs or alcohol, I didn't see it."

Other schoolmates also remember his time at school rather differently. He was a spoiled high-achiever, they recall, who seemed as fond of his grandparents as they were of him.

One of his former classmates, Alan Lum, said: "Hawaii is such a melting pot that it didn't occur to me when we were growing up that he might have problems about being one of the few African-Americans at the school. Us kids didn't see color. He was easy-going and well-liked."

Lon Wysard, who also attended the academy, said the budding politician was in fact idolized for his keen sportsmanship.

"He was the star basketball player and always had a ball in his hand wherever he was," Wysard recalled.

At school, Obama was surrounded by the island's richest and most accomplished students. America Online founder Steve Case, actress Kelly Preston and former Dallas Cowboys lineman Mark Tuinei, who died in 1999, attended the school around that time. Pro golf sensation Michelle Wie, 17, is a student there now (2006).

In his yearbook pictures, Obama wears a 1970s-style wide-collared shirt and sports jacket, his hair in a neatly trimmed afro that covers the tops of his ears.

He added a photo of himself playing basketball, and a shot entitled "Still Life" that includes numerous items. Among them are a trophy, telephone, turntable and beer bottle.

A package of "Zig-Zag" rolling papers and a matchbook are prominently displayed in front, and in a brief caption he thanked the "Choom Gang" and others "for all the good times."
School Daze
1979
Obama enters Occidental College in California.

1980
In his first memoir, "Dreams," Obama included a description of black student life at Occidental College in Los Angeles.
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The illustrious life of Obama (cont)

"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

He added: "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites.

"To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred," he wrote.
You are know by your friends and associates.
1981
Occidental College in Los Angeles, which then had a black mayor, Tom Bradley, wasn’t black enough, so in search of a community to belong to, he transfers to Harlem … well, to be precise, to that prestigious university on the edge of Harlem, Columbia. (A recurrent theme in Obama’s career is Power to the People gestures and Ivy League results).

He majors in political science with a specialization in international relations.
1982 "I stopped getting high. I ran 3 miles a day and fasted on Sundays. For the first time in years I applied myself to my studies and started keeping a journal of daily reflections and very bad poetry," he wrote in "Dreams."

He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." Obama admits to drug use for years.
1982
Senior dies in an alcohol-related car accident in Kenya, leaving three wives, one mistress, six sons and a daughter -- there is also the possibility of an eight progeny via the mistress.

Although Obama claims Senior was an atheist, Senior was buried as a Muslim.

One of Senior's former drinking partners, Kenyan writer Philip Ochieng Ochieng says that his friend's downfall was his weak character.

"Although charming, generous and extraordinarily clever, Obama Sr. was also imperious, cruel and given to boasting about his brain and his wealth," he said.

"He was excessively fond of Scotch. He had fallen into the habit of going home drunk every night. His boasting proved his undoing and left him without a job, plunged him into prolonged poverty and dangerously wounded his ego."

Ochieng recalls how, after sitting up all night drinking Black Label whisky at Nairobi's famous Stanley Hotel, Obama Sr. would fly into rages if Ruth asked where he had been.

Ochieng remonstrated with his friend, saying: "You bring a woman from far away and you reduce her to pulp. That is not our way."

But it was to no avail. Ruth sued for divorce after her husband administered brutal beatings.

In fact he was a menace to life, said Ochieng. "He had many extremely serious accidents. Both his legs had to be amputated. They were replaced with crude false limbs made from iron.

"He was just like Mr Toad [from Wind In The Willows], very arrogant on the road, especially when he had whisky inside. I was not surprised when I learned how he died."

Ruth refused to comment on the abuse charges when we tracked her down to the Kenyan school where she now works.

She said: "I was married to Barack's father for seven years so, yes, you could say Barack is my stepson.

"Barack's father was a very difficult man. Although I was married to him the longest of any of his wives he wasn't an easy person to be around."
Senior ends up with three wives, some at the same time and one mistress.
He has either seven or eight children, depending on the report.

1983
Obama graduates from Columbia College moves to Chicago where he finally finding a home where at least some whites reciprocated his antagonism.

Many of his classmates don't remember Obama. He's not in the yearbook. Columbia couldn't find a picture of him at school.

1983 In the period from high school in Hawaii, to Columbia University and then to the streets of Chicago as a community organizer, Obama is the classic angry young black man, describing his world thusly:

"We were always playing on the white man's court -- by the white man's rules. If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn't. The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage."

Obama’s once described the white race as “that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.”

“That hate hadn't gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
Angry, Hateful Black Man

1983
During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other "half-breeds" who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.
Half-breeds?

1984
Obama goes to work for Business International in January. He stays one year.

1985
Obama goes to work at a Chicago housing project, Altgeld Gardens.

Here, Obama worked as an ethnic activist, helping the impoverished black community wring more money and services from the government. That government money was wrecking the morals of the housing-project residents seems obvious from his book, but Obama never comes out and says it. Numerous white moderates assume that a man of Obama’s superlative intelligence must be kidding when he espouses his cast-iron liberalism on race-related policies, but they don’t understand the emotional imperative of racial loyalty to him.

His mentor during this period was the veteran local agitator, Hazel Johnson, who who disputes the version of events at Altgeld Gardens that Obama wrote of in his book and tells audiences at his political gatherings.

While working as a community organizer, Obama was repeatedly asked to join Christian congregations but begged off.

1986
Obama travels to Kenya.

Obama's 40-year-old cousin Said Hussein Obama commented, "My cousin found it difficult when he came here to learn of his six half-brothers and sisters were born to four different mothers.

1988
Obama falls under the spell of a leftist black nationalist preacher, Jeremiah A. Wright, who preaches African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. Reverend Wright remains a major influence on the presidential candidate. The title of Obama’s second book, The Audacity of Hope, is borrowed from one of Wright’s sermons.

Ben Wallace-Wells notes in Rolling Stone: “This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from, as much Malcolm X as Martin Luther King Jr.”

Obama becomes a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC).

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. They believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

Please read the "Black Value System" again -- only this time, substitute the word "White" for "Black."

If your church had such a "White Value System" Jesse and Al and the NAACP would have 10,000 demonstrators out front in a heartbeat.

Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity (and there is some question whether UCC Trinity Church is really Christian) is real or not.

Trinity describes itself as a "congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian. Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

"Trinity has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa, is committed to the historical education of African people in diaspora and committed to liberation, restoration, and economic parity."

Trinity is very anti-Israel and supports divestment.

At the UCC General Synod in 2005, the denomination adopted a resolution calling for “equal marriage rights for all,” regardless of gender. This includes homosexuals and transgender individuals.

On October 29, 2006, Dallas's Cathedral of Hope, known as the “world’s largest gay church,” was accepted into the UCC.
Obama's Church

Not your average Christian Church

1988
Obama goes off to one of the most famous white man's courts in the country, Harvard Law School.

1989
Friends say he did not want anyone to assume they knew his mind and because of that, even those close to him did not always know exactly where he stood.

“He then and now is very hard to pin down,” said Kenneth Mack, a classmate and now a professor at the law school, referring to the senator’s on-the-one-hand, on-the-other-hand style.

Mack added, "Obama stood out from the beginning. He seemed more mature. Everyone understood he was a liberal. He didn't hide that."
Yup, he's definitely a "Progressive"

1989 Obama is a summer intern at the corporate law firm Sidley Austin LLP in Chicago where he meets Michelle Robinson, his summer adviser. Meets Michelle
1990
Obama becomes the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review.
First Muslim-American too

1991
Abner Mikva, a five-term congressman from Illinois who was at that time Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. circuit, tried to recruit Obama as a clerk, a position considered a stepping stone to clerking on the Supreme Court, but Obama turned him down.

“He could have gone to the most opulent of law firms,” David Axelrod, a longtime friend who is now Obama’s media adviser, said. “After Harvard, Obama could have done anything he wanted.”

The Carl M. Loeb Professor at Harvard University, Laurence H. Tribe, taught Obama and employed him as a research assistant. He remembers him as a “brilliant, personable, and obviously unique” person. Tribe said that Obama’s theoretical perspective on applying modern physics to law was “very impressive.”

“He is obviously a serious intellectual as well as a fantastic campaigner who can reach across boundaries,” Tribe said. “He will make an extraordinarily fine president.”

David B. Wilkins , the Kirkland and Ellis professor of law, said he advised Obama to become a Supreme Court Clerk. "Obama recognized the honor in pursuing that post," Wilkins said, but quickly added that he wasn’t interested.

“He said that he wanted to write a book about his life and his father, go back to Chicago, get back into the community, and run for office there. He knew exactly what he wanted and went about getting it done,” Wilkins said.

The one thread, that remains consistent, throughout Obama's life, is his teacher's, mentor's and friend's recollection of Obama's single-minded pursuit of high political office.
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Husseins illustrious life (cont)

1991
Obama graduates from Harvard Law School and receive his Juris Doctor law degree.

1991
Obama moves back to Chicago where he takes a job with the civil rights law firm, Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Galland.


1992
Obama and Michelle Robinson of Chicago, Illinois are married (October 18, 1992). The ceremony was performed by Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Illinois.

Michelle Robinson was born into a working-class family from the South Side of Chicago on XX-XX-1964. She graduated from Whitney Young High School in 1981 and majored in sociology at Princeton University, graduating cum laude in 1985. She obtained her Juris Doctor degree from Harvard Law School in 1988.

Following law school, she was an associate at the Chicago law firm of Sidley & Austin.

Michelle has also been an associate dean at the University of Chicago and is currently a vice president at the University of Chicago Hospitals. She sits on six boards, including the prestigious Chicago Council on Global Affairs and the University of Chicago Laboratory Schools.
His boss?

1992
Obama officially becomes an apostate Muslim by his conversion to Christianity and the question needs to be asked, was Obama's conversion faith-based or political expediency?

In either case, Muslims view Obama as first a Muslim and then as an apostate Muslim. He faces the death penalty in nearly the entire Islamic world.

There is no dispute among either ancient or modern Muslim scholars that under Islamic law, a murtadd, “one who turns his back on Islam,” an apostate, must be put to death. Irtidad, apostasy, is committing treason against God, and traitors deserve to be killed. At a minimum, other Muslims would shun him if not kill him and his mother. The fact they are eagerly welcomed by the Muslim community begs the question, is he their 'Manchurian' candidate?



At a minimum, Obama should be asked if he will support the efforts of Christian missionaries in Islamic countries to peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity.
Big question -- did Obama actually convert?

Has he publicly rejected his Muslim religion and accepted Christ?

Apostatsy

Does Obama eat pork or drink alcohol?

Alcohol yes -- but so did Mohammed Atta

An American Expat in Southeast Asia blog, written by an American who has lived in Indonesia for 20 years and has met with both the Taliban and al-Qaeda, contains the following:

"Barack Hussein Obama might have convinced some Americans that he is no longer a Muslim, but so far he has not convinced many in the world's most populous Muslim country who still see him as a Muslim and a crusader for Islam and world peace."

"Barack Hussein Obama's race, his staunch opposition to the war in Iraq, his sympathy to Islam and Muslims worldwide and his Muslim heritage receive the Indonesian media coverage. There is no mention of his apostasy."

"A good example of how some of the Indonesian media is reporting on Obama's religion can be found in the following."

"Ayah kandung Obama disebut-sebut seorang Muslim, dan Barack Obama juga disebutkan pernah memeluk Islam. Setalah tinggal di AS dan diasuh neneknya, Obama mengaku telah memeluk Kristen. Masalah agama apa yang sekarang dianut Obama, itu adalah prinsip dirinya yang harus dihormati siapapun. Dan hanya Obama sendiri yang tahu dan akan mempertanggungjawabkan di hadapan Tuhan yang diyakininya."

"begin my translation..."

"Obama's father was mentioned to be a Muslim and Barack Obama had embraced Islam. After living in the USA and being taken care of by his grandmother, Obama claimed to embrace Christianity. The problem with religion and what is now followed by Obama is a principal he himself must honor. And only Obama personally will account before God for his beliefs."

"What I found interesting in the article was the use of the word 'mengaku' when refering to Obama's conversion from Islam to Christianity. The word 'mengaku' in Indonesian means "claimed" and as such leaves the insinuation to the native Indonesian reader being that Obama might actually still be a Muslim. But this is how Indonesians see Obama, they don't see him as an apostate at all, they see him as a crusader for the cause of Islam." On Obama's apostasy

February 2007
1992 Obama’s family connections to Islam would endure, however. For example, his brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as Obama recounted when describing his 1992 wedding.

"The person who made me proudest of all," Obama wrote, "was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."
1993
Over the next several years, Obama represents victims of housing and employment discrimination and works on voting-rights legislation for a small public-interest firm.

He also began teaching at the University of Chicago Law School, although he declined to pursue a tenure-track post, hoping to save time for politics.

Obama is named Senior Lecturer at the prestigious University of Chicago Law School.
This guy is getting all his ducks in a row.

1995
When he gets the chance to run for the state senate in a district that included Hyde Park, the home of the university and some of the poorest ghettos on the South Side, he jumps at it.

1995
As part of Obama's first run for office, he releases his memoir/fable, "Dreams of My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance," in which he acknowledges that he used cocaine as a high school student but rejected heroin. "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though," he wrote.

On "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" (12/5/2006) Obama was asked by Leno about taking drugs. Said Leno, "Remember, Senator, you are under oath. Did you inhale?" Replied Obama, "That was the point." In his book, Obama excuses his drug use as "reflective of the struggles and confusion of a teenage boy; teenage boys are frequently confused.”

Even more incriminating than the fact that Obama inhaled and admits to "maybe a little blow," Obama is a cigarette smoker, actually, a chain smoker.
All drug users rationalize their behavior.

Tonight Show video

1995
Obama's mother dies of cancer a few months after the publication of his 1995 memoir.

Obama’s book is primarily about his rejection of his supportive white maternal extended family in favor of his unknown black paternal extended family.

At age 33, he wrote in "Dreams from My Father, that " he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race.

Obama vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”
Doesn't like "Whites"
1995 In his memoir, "Dreams of My Father," Obama writes of a story in Life magazine that influenced him -- about a black man trying to bleach his skin white. No such article could be found in Life or Ebony. Liar, liar, pants on fire
1996
Obama is elected to the Illinois State Senate as a Democrat.

1996 Obama has no military service record. No military service
1996
2000
His political history in Illinois shows that Obama has proven himself to be a nearly perfect Progressive-Democrat.

While in the Illinois State Senate, Obama is named Chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee. His distinguished works include passing bill to assist children and adults who cannot afford health insurance; increasing funding for AIDS prevention and care; a law requiring police to videotape interrogations for crimes punishable by the death penalty; a law requiring insurance companies to cover routine mammograms; legislation to curb racial profiling.

Obama supports homosexual marriage, racial preferences, gun control, flag-burning, socialized medicine and the absolute right to abortion, including partial-birth abortions. He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.

Obama is anti-war, voted against the reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act, against privatizing Social Security and opposes the death penalty, three strikes laws and school vouchers. He has no military service record.

Obama opposed the Defense of Marriage Act; would work to repeal it in the U.S. Senate; would not vote for any legislation that would restrict the ability of gays and lesbians to marry.

Obama opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act four times in Illinois. A similar bill passed the U.S. Senate 98-0. The Born Alive bill would have prohibited a baby from being born alive but left to die according to the mother's wishes.

Obama opposed this bill not once, twice, or three times, but four times.

Obama took almost $90,000 in bundled contributions from the Council for a Livable World. The council is a well-known anti-defense organization.

Obama puts rigid ideology before what's best for the people of Illinois, and presumably he would do that as President as well. He has on several occasions made public his opposition to the NAFTA trade agreement and his belief that it must be negotiated. All the while thanks to NAFTA, Illinois exports $1.3 billion in agricultural goods to Canada.

Obama refused to vote for a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have increased penalties for drug traffickers.

Obama voted against a bill that would have delivered the death penalty to gang members who murder first responders.

Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to vote against a bill that prohibited early release for sexual predators.
Yup, he's a PROGRESSIVE

1999 Daughter Malia, the Hawaiian form of Mary, is born. Private school?
2000
Obama makes an unsuccessful run for the U. S. House of Representatives.

2001 Obama is also PROTECTIVE OF CIVIL RIGHTS FOR MUSLIMS in the U.S., saying, "In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging," he laments. "I WILL STAND WITH THEM SHOULD THE POLITAL WINDS SHIF IN AN UGLY DIRECTION." Allies with Muslims

2001 Obama sponsors Illinois Senate Bill 750 creating the "Halal Food Act," providing for inspections by the Department of Agriculture to ensure that all food labeled Halal is prepared according to Islamic law. Shari'a law
Camel's nose under the tent

2001 Daughter Sasha, the Russian pet form of Aleksandra, is born. Private school?

2002 In October, Obama gives a speech at an antiwar rally in Chicago opposing the invasion of Iraq, saying, "I am not opposed to all wars. I am opposed to dumb wars."

2002
Obama, running unopposed, wins reelection to the state senate in 2002.

2003 Obama calls the Iraq war "a botched and ill-advised U.S. military incursion into a Muslim country."

2004
Obama runs for an open seat in the U.S. Senate.

2004
Obama delivers his now-famous DNC Convention speech.

2004
In his speech, he says, "My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father -- my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British."
This appears to be dancing around the truth -- see 1936
(HIS FATHER WAS WELL TO DO)
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