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Thoughts on Obama
There’s a lot of time left before the election, and I’m not ready to make up my mind about candidates this early in the race. But from the get go, I’ve hoped Obama would emerge from this thing as the victor. In other words, I WANT to want to vote for him, and hope he gives me and others reasons to do so. Not so much because of what he says, what he promises, or where he stands on issues, but because of the striking change in the course of our political system he would represent just by winning. I was planning to break down his potential more specifically, but then I came across the following opinion piece that mirrors my own thoughts. I think the author gives a balanced assessment of the man—both qualities and flaws.
I’m looking for a substantial change in direction that marks the beginning of a new political era. Like the author of the piece, I think Obama is the only candidate who has the potential of bringing this about. Anybody else feel the same way? Quote:
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One of Obama's problems, as sad as it is, is his mindset. His messages and his thoughts are detailed and well thought out, and take longer to explain than the normal sound bites (9/11, Islamofascists, Defeatocrats, etc). So it's harder to maintain the attention of the people with it. It's possible that he may be too much like the Obama we saw in 2004 -- the Obama with a message of hope, compared to the mudslinging we see ad nauseum in the political arena.
Thankfully though, he's presented some very reasonable positions to issues recently. He needs to continue to do this.
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The thing about Obama is that he seems to be running on emotions. He wants to motivate people and make them feel like there is this barrier between generations and such. I'm more interested in a candidates capability, similarity to my own positions, experience, and grasp of policy. Obama does seem to fit my positions pretty close compared to many of the candidates on those occasions it is clear what his positions are but on the other three I just don't think he cuts it.
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He voted NO on parental notification for minors getting an abortion.
Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. He also supports unconstitutional "race favoring"
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It seems a rather short complaint list for a Senator's voting record. Pull up other democratic candidates' voting records (if they have one) on the same bills for comparison and see what you disagree with. Perhaps "On the issues", you're likely not to be personally aligned with any of the democratic candidates.
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Why would it? There is nothing about Barak Obama that appears remotely Islamic to me. There are plenty of other reasons to not put him the White House without attacking his alleged religious upbringing of yesteryear.
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Absolutely.
He belongs on a waterboard, not in the White House.
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There is nothing about Barack Obama that seems Islamic to you?
Barack Hussein Obama's father, stepfather and grandfather were Muslims. He was by Islamic law born a Muslim. This cannot be changed. Mohammed said if anyone turns his back on Islam, kill him. (Vol. 9:57 ) And how about this: By THOMAS BEAUMONT REGISTER STAFF WRITER March 12, 2007 Muscatine, Ia. - Illinois Sen. 'NOBODY IS SUFFERING MORE THAN THE PALENTINIAN PEOPLE,' OBAMA SAID, while on the final leg of his weekend trip to eastern Iowa. The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas, a political party that does not recognize Israel's sovereignty and is listed by several countries - including the United States - as a terrorist organization. The United States and other nations imposed restrictions on aid when Hamas gained power last year. DesMoinesRegister.com and this: THE HALAL FOOD ACT WAS SPONSORED BY BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMS. in August 2001. "This law will give Muslims in Illinois confidence that the Halal food products they buy are indeed prepared according to Islamic law."' "Senate Bill 750 was sponsored in by Senators Christine Radogno, R-La Grange, Laurence Walsh, D-Elwood, Barack Obama,..." Illinois.gov - Illinois Government News Network (IGNN) - Search the News Results Obama's pastor admits concerns over candidate's ties to Islam Chad Groening OneNewsNow.com March 21, 2007 The head of a pro-Israel ministry is praising the PASTOR OF Democratic presidential candidate Barack OBAMA'S church for ADMITTING HIS CONCERNS ABOUT the Illinois senator's (OBAMA's) ASSOCIATION WITH THE PALESTINIANS AND THE NATION OF ISLAM leader Louis Farrakhan. http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/ob...s_concerns.php ...in two separate interviews, Pastor Wright has REVEALED HIS CONCERNS ABOUT OBAMA'S PRO-ISLAMIC LEANINGS. Markell FEARS THAT IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL BLATANTLY TURN ITS BACK ON ISRAEL- AND SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES later. OBAMA'S PASTOR, REV WRIGHT, TOLD THE NEW YORK TIMES in an interview published March "WHEN HIS (OBAMA) ENEMIES FIND OUT THAT IN 1984 HE WENT TO TRIPOLI WITH THE NATION OF ISLAM LEADERI Louis Farrakhan TO VISIT LIBYAN LEADER MOAMMAR GADHAFI,"a lot of HIS JEWISH SUPPORT WILL DRY UP quicker than a snowball in hell." In a statement to the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, Gibbs amended that declaration, saying: “Obama has never been a practicing Muslim,” the key word being “practicing.” But a BOYHOOD FRIEND of Obama in Indonesia, Zulfin Adi, TOLD THE TIMES; "His mother often went to the church, but Barry [Barack’s name at the time] was Muslim. HE WENT TO THE MOSQUE.” HIS FIRST GRADE TEACHER Israella Dharmawan TOLD THE TIMES: “At that time, Barry was also praying in a Catholic way, but Barry was Muslim. HE WAS REGISTERED AS A MUSLIM because his father was Muslim.” IN THE THIRD GRADE, OBAMA TRANSFERRED TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL, WHERE HE WAS ALSO REGISTERED AS A MUSLIM. MUSLIM STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL ATTENDED WEEKLY RELIGION LESSONS ABOUT ISLAM, TAUGHT BY A MUSLIM. Then there is Obama's racist church. He joined a Christian church because he knew it was a good cover. A Muslim might have trouble getting into the presidency. DECEPTION and lies are allowed in Islam to achieve its goal. The word for this is taqiyya. Just read the statement from this church and insert White where it states Black. Trinity United Church of Christ Trinity United Church of Christ; We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. "WE ARE AFRICAN PEOPLE, AND REMAIN TRUE TO OUR NATIVE LAND".. Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts: Commitment to God COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY COMMITMENT TO THE BLACK FAMILY Dedication to the Pursuit of Education Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence ADHERENCE TO THE BLACK WORK ETHIC Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness" Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO ALL BLACK LEADERSHIP WHO ESPOUSE AND EMBRACE THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System. The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision: A congregation committed to ADORATION. A congregation preaching SALVATION. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY |
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Re: Thoughts on Obama
I think a lot of people see the future of the Democratic Party when they look at Obama, but from one issue to the next in this campaign, he is for huge wasteful government. I think the current system in the US is broken and that most every candidate is lost on foreign policy, except for Ron Paul.
Obama said he's against the war, but now he can't say whether or not he'll be able to get the troops out by the end of his first term. And he's starting to sound like a candidate who speaks from the results of the polls instead of what he really wants to say. He wasn't a bulldog enough, so now he's coming out and punching at Hillary more. Wherever Obama and Clinton are, they tailor their messages to those crowds, and that's dangerous to me because you lose what it is they actually stand for. Obama lacks experience. I just don't think he'll know what to do right away if elected, I expect that it would take him awhile to get adjusted precisely when we need a president who will jump in and make big corrections immediately. Obama hasn't said anything about dismantling the Homeland Security Dept or phasing out the Patriot Act, doesn't talk much about the environment, mostly is attacking Hillary now for her stance on Iran. He's a nice guy and all, but we need to really stop voting for the one we'd most want to have dinner with or hang with or sleep with or whatever. It's about saving America right now and it's a job that I think would overwhelm Obama. |
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