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Old 11-20-2007
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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The bottom line is, the zionist controlled media in our country hates Ron Paul, and they will continue to attack Ron Paul anyway, regardless of whether he accepts money from "white supremacists" or not. And if Dr Paul returns the money, he'll lose the respect of many of his supporters, including me.

I think he should stand on his principles by telling the ADL to mind their own business.
Actually Ron Paul has not really been attacked much for anything, because he is such a whacko that its not worth the breath.


Ron Paul already has (told them to mind there own business) by taking the funds and not returning them, even when challenged to do so on national media outlets for over a month now....he has taken his stance and made it plain what his intentions are....there is nothing illegal about his taking their money - so now we all know....Ron Paul is supported by Nazi like influences, if that doesn't bother you - then go ahead and vote for him.
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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Yet again Slon, what are you getting at here?

Surely even you can understand the difference between a political donation from a known white supremacist source and a tip from a stranger/payment from an ebay buyer?

Why are you choosing to be so obtuse?
I didn't say they were the same. Obviously one involves eBay and the other involves Ron Paul. The point remains that accepting money in the form of a donation from someone does not obligate you to follow their ideology. Can you show some substance behind your idea?
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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Unfortunately, one need not be psychic to predict what Dodge (aka Slon) will do...
One need not be psychic to figure out that you are going to troll for quite a while.
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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so a candidate fully funded by Nazis should not be attacked for having white supremist idealogies? riiight.
what white supremacist idealogy
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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Actually Ron Paul has not really been attacked much for anything, because he is such a whacko that its not worth the breath.


Ron Paul already has (told them to mind there own business) by taking the funds and not returning them, even when challenged to do so on national media outlets for over a month now....he has taken his stance and made it plain what his intentions are....there is nothing illegal about his taking their money - so now we all know....Ron Paul is supported by Nazi like influences, if that doesn't bother you - then go ahead and vote for him.
well what does it say for the republican slate if a "whacko" like Paul says more relevant things then they do?
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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Actually Ron Paul has not really been attacked much for anything, because he is such a whacko that its not worth the breath.


Ron Paul already has (told them to mind there own business) by taking the funds and not returning them, even when challenged to do so on national media outlets for over a month now....he has taken his stance and made it plain what his intentions are....there is nothing illegal about his taking their money - so now we all know....Ron Paul is supported by Nazi like influences, if that doesn't bother you - then go ahead and vote for him.
No, because no matter what Paul's supporters think, it has no effect on Ron Paul. If Osama bin Laden started sending him money, that would not necessarily alter Paul's ideology. Sending money to someone does not attach your own brainwaves and ideas to the money, transferring them to the receiver. To suggest that something that absurd happens is totally irrational.
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One need not be psychic to figure out that you are going to troll for quite a while.
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

I think anybody who wants to contribute to someone's campaign ought to be able to do so without getting persecuted for it. And on the flip side, it isn't Ron Paul's or any other candidate's problem what their donors believe in or to what group they belong to. There is nothing about Ron Paul that is racist, it's just that he talks about freedom in a very pure and simple way, and it's bound to attract lots of different kinds of people. Ron Paul is about the only candidate who actually has a cross-section of every kind of American donating to his campaign.

In the end, it is to the peril of the donor. If Paul were to win and none of his policies were racist, than the racist needs to consider whether they'd be better off throwing their money down the toilet.
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I think anybody who wants to contribute to someone's campaign ought to be able to do so without getting persecuted for it. And on the flip side, it isn't Ron Paul's or any other candidate's problem what their donors believe in or to what group they belong to. There is nothing about Ron Paul that is racist, it's just that he talks about freedom in a very pure and simple way, and it's bound to attract lots of different kinds of people. Ron Paul is about the only candidate who actually has a cross-section of every kind of American donating to his campaign.

In the end, it is to the peril of the donor. If Paul were to win and none of his policies were racist, than the racist needs to consider whether they'd be better off throwing their money down the toilet.
If he accepts money from racists, then the appearance that he supports them, or accepts their views as valid, will be very real.

Whether it's accurate or not won't matter.

Americans won't vote for someone like that...
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

I'm curious about the thread's title. "Should Ron Paul accept money from white supremicists?"

Did he send you your donation back or something? Or are you wondering if you should try to donate and are worried it would be refused?

inquiring minds and all ..
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If he accepts money from racists, then the appearance that he supports them, or accepts their views as valid, will be very real.

Whether it's accurate or not won't matter.

Americans won't vote for someone like that...
Americans vote for idiots who don't represent them well. You've got to be kidding me. They voted for Bush knowing his campaign was telling lies about McCain. They voted for Bush instead of a war hero and when the war hero's service came under attack, did anyone blink? Nope. That's America my friend. A backstabbing culture where war heroes aren't even off limits while draft dodgers get applauded for attacking them. Don't pretend that Americans are so righteous. They're petty, like the rest of the people in the world. They like the infighting and mudslinging that they say in the polls they don't. It's just no one in such a poll ever wants to admit they like watching candidates fight and bicker.

Americans are like real good looking chicks who date retards and don't even know it; they like the appearance of confidence and an easy smile more than any substantial quality. That's why smooth-talking southerners tend to win over thinkers. America couldn't spot an idealist anymore if it tried because they're so caught up in the horse race that the media gives them.

Look at Hillary. She's so poised so much of the time that everybody's just sleepwalking with her campaign into the nomination. She's on the wrong side of the two biggest issues of the moment and is playing the Republican-lite card but a lot of people don't want to stop and think about what she really stands for. It's all "8 years of us was better than 8 years of them" and that's true, but I want 8 years of someone knew. Someone who makes us smarter again because we've been on the stupid team for a quarter of my life now and it's a real drag.
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

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Americans vote for idiots who don't represent them well. You've got to be kidding me. They voted for Bush knowing his campaign was telling lies about McCain. They voted for Bush instead of a war hero and when the war hero's service came under attack, did anyone blink? Nope. That's America my friend. A backstabbing culture where war heroes aren't even off limits while draft dodgers get applauded for attacking them. Don't pretend that Americans are so righteous. They're petty, like the rest of the people in the world. They like the infighting and mudslinging that they say in the polls they don't. It's just no one in such a poll ever wants to admit they like watching candidates fight and bicker.

Americans are like real good looking chicks who date retards and don't even know it; they like the appearance of confidence and an easy smile more than any substantial quality. That's why smooth-talking southerners tend to win over thinkers. America couldn't spot an idealist anymore if it tried because they're so caught up in the horse race that the media gives them.

Look at Hillary. She's so poised so much of the time that everybody's just sleepwalking with her campaign into the nomination. She's on the wrong side of the two biggest issues of the moment and is playing the Republican-lite card but a lot of people don't want to stop and think about what she really stands for. It's all "8 years of us was better than 8 years of them" and that's true, but I want 8 years of someone knew. Someone who makes us smarter again because we've been on the stupid team for a quarter of my life now and it's a real drag.
I thought we were discussing Ron Paul, and whether or not he should accept donations from a racist organization.

You seem to have focus issues.

If Ron Paul accepts the money, and if he hasn't bowed out by the General Election, the other candidates wioll have a fucking field day with "Ron Paul the racist", and it will be damn near impossible for him to defend against it, and he will lose.

Miserably.


Yeah, we enjoy some mudslinging every once in a while, but I've got $1,000.00 that says Ron Paul loses if he takes money from racists...
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Re: Should Ron Paul Accept Money From "White Supremacists" ??

And Bush never took money from any racists? Can you prove that? Oh, right, Bush is holier than the rest of us. He has moral values.

When did you conservative hacks get so bent out of shape about personal freedom? Doesn't a racist, doesn't anyone have the right to donate to any candidate of their choosing?

Ken Lay and Enron donated to Bush, so what's your point?

I swear you people are living in the McCarthy era all over again. It's embarassing. Wake up. Think. Stop the witchhunting on everybody. You can't even believe in what you believe in in America anymore. While the neo-cons worry about socialism, America has become a fascist regime where independent thinking is no longer tolerated.

I'm sure lots of shaddy people give money to every candidate. If we nitpicked we could accuse them all. It still doesn't change anything. A candidate stands for what they stand for and if someone who doesn't represent those ideas gives them money, it's the donors fault.
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And Bush never took money from any racists? Can you prove that? Oh, right, Bush is holier than the rest of us. He has moral values.
I'm not sure about money but w spoke at Bob Jones University during the 2000 campaign. And at the time that "university" had a rule against interracial dating. So you are right w has also consorted with racist assholes.
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When did you conservative hacks get so bent out of shape about personal freedom? Doesn't a racist, doesn't anyone have the right to donate to any candidate of their choosing?

Ken Lay and Enron donated to Bush, so what's your point?

I swear you people are living in the McCarthy era all over again. It's embarassing. Wake up. Think. Stop the witchhunting on everybody. You can't even believe in what you believe in in America anymore. While the neo-cons worry about socialism, America has become a fascist regime where independent thinking is no longer tolerated.

I'm sure lots of shaddy people give money to every candidate. If we nitpicked we could accuse them all. It still doesn't change anything. A candidate stands for what they stand for and if someone who doesn't represent those ideas gives them money, it's the donors fault.
Certainly everyone has a right to contribute to political campaigns. And everyone also has the right to judge a candidate based on the people he takes money from or otherwise consorts with. Of course if we really did that none of them would last more than one term.
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And Bush never took money from any racists? Can you prove that?
First, I think there's a huge difference between a racist and a white supremist.

Second, I never said Bush didn't take money from racists, but now you want me to prove that he didn't? Horseshit. Prove that he took money from white supremists, like Paul is preparing to do, and you'll be onto something. Until then, your point is, well, pointless...

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Doesn't a racist, doesn't anyone have the right to donate to any candidate of their choosing?
Does that trump a candidates desire to not accept it?

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Ken Lay and Enron donated to Bush, so what's your point?
Dude, you're the one blubbering on; what's your point?

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Wow.

Did you even fucking read what I wrote? I have to ask that, because it was nothing like what you've provided here.

If someone takes money from someone whose ideas they disagree with, nobody holds the donor at fault. They hold the candidate at fault.

Reading is fundamental...
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