thanksgiving is essentially a leftwing concept of all races cultures etc people getting along helping each other and not fighting over land-- so it wouldnt even exist as a holiday without liberalism first existing

That's excellent, I like that. From my fellow immigrants I can now expect slavery, US Manifest Destiny and obese rationalization posts for being an advocate of blasphemy of a national feast holiday.

At what part in history are you talking non-natives ?

__________________
Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

For the original US states, I like the Plymouth Rock event as a discussion line in the sand.

(they didnt really land at Plymouth rock but that makes a nice story tho)

I knew you'd come up with something like that.

__________________
Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Any point in time you'd care to designate as the first illegal immigration defined as permanent residence on the now US East Coast by Europeans. A discussion could be started with Spanish colonization on the US Southwest and West Coast colonization, France in a broad band in the center US or England again in the Pacific Northwest. That era of colonization versus earlier patterns of geographical migration.

I'm a little tipsy so please correct me if I'm wrong.

IIRC the actual landing was in the south but the ship/crew eventually moved north some years later.

__________________
Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

yea true--but there was alot less laws back then too

I wouldnt doubt it--they just made up that plymouth rock fairy story as a tourist attraction and it just kinda stuck--they really had no idea where they landed exactly

Did you read it? Did you understand it? The more we study the cosmos, the more evidence of it's eventual destruction we find, shortening expectations for the lifespan of the universe. In any case we are talking about billions of years after our sun has died so how this story constitutes a "scare tactic" is beyond me. How is this a liberal thoery? Are they automatically liberal because they are scientists? Are there no conservative scientists? That's a telling statement.

Scare tactics? You mean like suitcase bombs, mushroom clouds, fight them there so we don't have to fight them here, those kind of scare tactics? Neo-con "scare tactics" have started wars and led to the deaths of thousands of people. Liberal scare tactics have caused some people to buy a different kind of light bulb.

The last two election were won by historically low margins. Poll after poll shows that your statement just isn't true. Most people don't subscribe to far left dogma or far right dogma. Most people fall somwhere in the middle. Are you suggesting "conservatives" don't attack when you don't agree with them? Please. John Kerry, Max Cleland, Jack Murtha on and on.

(from Merriam Webster)

If JFK had been a modern Republican, the Cuban missle crisis would have escalated into WW III. I'm sure we'll hear from folks who think that would have been a good thing.

Why are neocons and Bush apologista such angry bitter people?

Probably because every policy they implemented has failed. Afghanistan, Iraq, supply side economics, no child left behind, Medicare prescription plan, record government growth, you name it, it's a gross failure and will cost us dearly way into the future.

Agreed at the present. However, I can't remember a time when these types weren't bitter and angry. Their entire philosophy is built upon hate, fear, greed, and false arrogance. Their inability to own their multitude of huge miscalculations, missteps, blunders, and flat out f*ckups and take personal responsibility for the results, baffles the minds of every thinking person. May the next national election drive a wooden stake thru the heart of these antisocial cretens for all time.