*My comments in red and between stars*



SOMETIMES HILLARY CLINTON LEAVES ME BREATHLESS with the sheer arrogance of her assumption that the American people are like a bunch of rubes eager to buy her latest brand of snake oil.

She introduced her latest excursion into national healthcare by assuring us that under her plan people will no longer be denied needed emergency medical services because they lack health insurance.

Hillary knows the law provides that nobody can be turned away because of their inability to pay - she just hopes the voters don't know that. She wants them to think that some cruel tyrant stands at the emergency room door barring entrance to the poor and needy.

* If this website is any indication, she's correct in her hopes that the voters don't know that.

But I don't think this website represents most of America :-) *

Illegal immigrants know better than most American citizens. They get all the healthcare they want because the law guarantees those services without making them pay for it. Hillary assures Americans that healthcare is a right and not a privilege. She ignores the fact that rights have no price tag attached - you don't have to pay to exercise the right of free speech, for example - yet she puts a $110 billion annual price tag on the right to have healthcare. She says this will be paid by increasing taxes on Americans whose taxable income is $25o,ooo a year or more. She doesn't explain that there aren't enough taxpayers making that amount to finance that cost.

....rights have no price tag attached yet she's suggesting they DO by putting a $110 billion annual price tag on the "right to have healthcare" !

"Hillarycon" would force every man, woman, and child to have health insurance. They get no choice in the matter. Hillary keeps peddling the line that there are 47 million Americans without health insurance - implying that they are too poor to afford it.

However, according to Investor's Business Daily, about 38 percent of the estimated 47 percent of the American people who lack health insurance have incomes in excess of $5o,ooo a year. Moreover, about 2o percent have incomes over $75,ooo a year.
These people can afford coverage, but for whatever reason choose not to buy it. You have to ask yourself why Hillary wants to take away the right of these people to choose to remain uninsured.

* No, you don't have to ask yourself that at all. It's pretty clear. *

The new version of Hillarycare is just another Clintonian con game - a neatly wrapped bottle of snake oil. She doesn't want you to read the price tag and the label that warns that the contents may taste good but are utterly devoid of anything good for your health.

* Hillary. Another democrat snake-oil sales person gambling on the ignorance of the American public :-)

You have to ask yourself how long democratic beleif that most American citizens are dumb hillbillies is going to serve their purpose and get them elected.

No *

I couldn't agree with that statement more...if this time things go wrong we'll have no-one to blame but ourselves. We know what the threat is we know what the risks are of electing someone like Hillary; if we do we deserve every single thing we get coming our way. The ignorant assholes that vote for her will seal all of our future if they hand her the WH.

Just as we deserved every sort of bad thing as we elected GWB, not once, but twice, right?

I am not a HRC fan, but I cannot help how could she turn out to be a worst president than GWB had been? Not possible.

I guess we did our best in selecting the worst kind of president we ever had. Our bad.

Even if they would, they could not be as big an asshole as the ones who voted for GWB twice. Twice! That's given.

Again this canard about "nobody can be turned away because of their inability to pay". That's emergency care. The hospital is required to keep you from dying. That's it. If you go in because you can't walk due to a deteriorated hip, "No insurance? F*ck off" Lump on your breast and you want a cancer screening? "No insurance, f*ck off." And even if you do get the emergency care, they hand you a bill on your way out. Can't pay? That's OK, we'll take half your paycheck for the next ten years or your house if you have one. The only thing guaranteed in the American Health care process is the insurance companies profits. But the insurance companies know that the American people are like a bunch of rubes eager to hand over their premiums, co-pays,and deductibles every month.

Just not true. You can't have an honest debate unless you know the facts.

Immigrants in the U.S. Health System

I wish, tiny tim, we could be able to drive this fact into the brains of the un-American patriots, who wrongly think kicking people out of the USA will make us a better country.

Who will remind those people of the fact that the settlers, too, had entered America illegaly?

Exactly.

Which explains why I have yet to see you take part in an "honest debate".

Wow.

So there were laws ...

... before there were LAWS.

What a fascinating universe you must inhabit.

Nice glib response. Care to address the findings in the report I linked to?

BTW, I'm not supporting Hillary's plan, just getting some facts straight. Her plan would be a windfall for the insurance companies that have financed her campaign. Insurance companies are the problem, not the solution.

Your statement is completely incorrect

Wrongly? According to the law it is rightly justifiable

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* So you take two sentences out of context: *

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Illegal immigrants know better than most American citizens. They get all the healthcare they want because the law guarantees those services without making them pay for it.

Just not true. You can't have an honest debate unless you know the facts.

* Explain to me that "You can't have an honest debate unless you know the facts."

Then link us to "Center for American Progress.": *

Immigrants in the U.S. Health System


* What is mentioned in the O.P. refers to the fact that these people are here illegally yet get free healthcare when they have medical emergencies. There's nothing stopping these people from entering America LEGALLY (many do) and living legitimately and having FULL access to ALL facets of our healthcare system. Full access IS a privelege and NOT a "right". Illegal aliens shouldn't expect to come here and then call up a Dr. to see about painful urination or lack of sleep or back pain or some such minor medical inconvenience. *

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Nice glib response. Care to address the findings in the report I linked to?


* The "findings" of the "report", not surprisingly, don't even mention what is talked about in the O.P.

Not surprising that "progressives" would have us ignore these things and try to fool us with talk of "myths" and "misconceptions."

Have us ignore the $110 billion annual price tag on the "right to have healthcare." Have us ignore that Hillary says this will be paid by increasing taxes on Americans whose taxable income is $25o,ooo a year or more. She doesn't explain that there aren't enough taxpayers making that amount to finance that cost. Have us ignore that about 38 percent of the estimated 47 percent of the American people who lack health insurance have incomes in excess of $5o,ooo a year. Moreover, about 2o percent have incomes over $75,ooo a year and that these people can afford coverage, but for whatever reason choose not to buy it. And why Hillary wants to take away the right of these people to choose to remain uninsured.

Have us ignore that Hillary is an OBVIOUS socialist.

Do tell us MORE about how you "can't have an honest debate unless you know the facts."

Or did you mean "you can't have an honest debate unless you ignore the facts I and the "Center for American Progress" want you to ignore ? *

Yes. AfterALL....

Article IV, section 4 of the U.S. Constitution says;

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion.

Each year 65,000 undocumented students (illegal aliens) graduate from our nations high schools. As of 1996 it cost about $ 8 billion a year just to provide a primary education for illegal aliens at the federal state and local levels. - [DREAM Act position paper of the national latino arts, education and media institute] and [“The estimated cost of Illegal Immigration,” Federation for American immigration reform policy paper, updated Feb. 2004]

More costs.

Like I said, I'm not defending Hillary's health plan, the insurance companies need to be removed from the equation completely. The Piece I linked to dealt specifcally with the myths surrounding Healthcare for illegal immigrants. A universal healthcare plan paid with taxpayer money would eliminate the layer of profit for the insurance companies which makes our current public health system among the most expensive and least efficient in the world. With the amount most insured people pay in premiums, co-pays and deducatables, the increase in taxes would be a wash. If you want to continue to blame all the nations problems on some tomato pickers, be my guest. The fat cats at the insurance companies are more than happy to let somebody else take the blame. If all the illegals left tomorrow, it wouldn't save you a penny. In fact it would probably cost you more in dramatically higher food prices.

Hey, it worked for Bush.


But really.. what's the article's attack on her plan? Basically that it's forced coverage....that people can't choose to be uncovered.

What person is going to choose not to have healthcare coverage when it's basically free?

None of the Democrats have bad healthcare plans. I don't like Hillary, but her "socialized medicine" is a better proposal than the healthcare system of today.

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