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Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.
I like that one. Some of the others are pretty disasterous, and I can see why he doesn't talk about them much.
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Obama is appealing to the younger or first time voters with one word. "Change", then all followed.

Now he needs to answer to older Americans who have followed politics for decades. Meaning--what changes will you make & even more specifically "how" are you going to achieve those changes?

Kerry ran on the word "hope" is on the way, & look where it got him.
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Change will be all there is left in the pockets of small business if Obama takes office.
Small businesses are the backbone of the American middle class. Obama plans levying higher taxes on big corporations outsourcing jobs. That's a very precise, clear and clever "Change."
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Obama is appealing to the younger or first time voters with one word. "Change", then all followed.

Now he needs to answer to older Americans who have followed politics for decades. Meaning--what changes will you make & even more specifically "how" are you going to achieve those changes?

Kerry ran on the word "hope" is on the way, & look where it got him.
Has any other candidates answered all the specific questions of the elderly? When Hillary the experienced outlined and explained with detail how she would pull out from Iraq "responsibly?"

Campaigns are not lecture halls here all details are emphasized by the candidates one by one so that every single voter passes Politics 101.
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government school educated? Is that a yardstick for cognitive ability?

Change is a pretty popular buzzword when things are broken... and for good reason. I think the intellectually challenged parties are those who do not realize that change is what's needed for our government.

Obama's for transparency, accountability, and bridging the rift between the dems and repubs of our congress so that things can be done. All things that do not exist in the current state of government.....so what to do? Change it.

That should have been the battlecry of all the candidates.....now they're all recognizing that they lacked the foresight.... just like they all did on the Iraq War.

By the way, why the hell does the Hawaii flag contain the "Union Jack"?
Tell me this: If Obama is for transparency and accountability, than how come I don't know what he stands for on pretty much everything except the war? His healthcare proposal is vague and he'll pay for it by taxing the wealthy.

Once again I contend, that no rift can be bridged when it comes to core issues. Liberals are pro-choice and Republicans are pro-life. One side likes wars the other side doesn't but goes along with them.

I'm sick and tired of this idea that one person can just bring everyone together. It's like what Bill Clinton said yesterday, "it's a fairy tale".

And now the election isn't about change. It's about old faces and new faces. Do we want to see Obama/Huckabee campaigning all year and debating each other, or do we want to see establishment types Clinton/McCain. And can anyone tell me if those two debates would be at all different?

Wishy-washy leadership, lazy voters, politicians that poll everything and change their positions until everything is gobbly-gook. Now McCain is for securing the borders first. He can't even declare what he really thinks!! Some maverick!!

Clinton? She can't even say what she really thinks about foreign policy and the unnecessary wars. Just goes along. Tells the base one thing, tells hawkish moderates another.

Obama is against the wars. He can't really tell you what he really thinks about anything other than that.

Huckleberry? He plays a mean guitar. He's a very folksy Gomer, and Americans like that type. He could be President. You don't want to know what he really thinks.

Have we really become this lazy and stupid? Obama and Huckabee, once very unique individuals, are now turning into pre-packaged sliced ham candidates.

The truth of the matter is, the first month Giuliani/Romney/Huckabee/McCain/Thompson is President, they will request more war funding while wanting to cut taxes and borrow even more from China. And the first month that Hillary/Obama/Edwards is President, they will request more war funding while wanting to raise taxes and continue borrowing from China. And tell me what you think the opposition party will do?

Can't wait for all that change come January '09!!

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Imagine an Obama/Huckabee debate in October: Obama's anti-war/Huckabee's pro-war (...
None of the candidates are "pro-war" Jason.


I understand that you would love to see Iraq fall back into the hands of the Baathists. But you should understand that the socialists in the Baath party are nothing like the Canadian socialists. They are totally different than Joe Canadian socialist. They are Hitler type socialists, not harmless post-war West Europe or American type socialists. The are nasty fascist type socialists.

That is why it is so fucking irrational for you leftists in the west to be such ardent Hussein apologists. And screaming for the US to stop backing the legitimate government and concede Iraq to those criminal assholes.

What the fuck are you guys thinking?

I would love for you, (and those like you), to explain and clarify your position on this matter Jason.

What I trying to say is basically...Where the hell are you comming from?
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That is why it is so fucking irrational for you leftists in the west to be such ardent Hussein apologists. And screaming for the US to stop backing the legitimate government and concede Iraq to those criminal assholes.

What the fuck are you guys thinking?
That last is an easy question. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." The old axe still applies - they don't hate Bush because of the war, they hate the war because of Bush.

When Hilbama gets elected and takes office, I won't be surprised to see a sudden change of heart, and the bad guys will go back to being our enemy instead of our government. Of course anything bad that happens will still be Bush's fault, but Hilbama will be supported in whatever s/he does.

And you can put your money on this - Hilbama will not pull all our troops out of Iraq.
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He's not telling outlining what he plans to do. You said he is for a more transparent government. How, precisely, is he going to accomplish this? Is he going to do something about earmarks added to spending bills? Is there going to be live telecast of every meeting he holds? What is he going to do to make governemnt transparent?
Transparency is one of the things he's implemented as a Senator.

The Obama - Coburn Bill gave transparency to federal spending and fiscal behavior. It gave rise to the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006.... one of the few pieces of legislation that Bush did not veto.

Go to Welcome to USAspending.gov .... It's the result of Obama and Coburn's bill and would not exist in the absence of their efforts.

Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So Fiscal transparency has already been directly addressed by Obama to some degree..... a large change for the better that he has already implemented and a demonstration of his philosophy on open government operation.

I suppose you can drop public teleconferences of meetings and a plan for cutting pork out of bills in his suggestion box. I haven't seen any candidate really address these issues... outside of Richardson who is strongly for the line-item veto.
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Tell me this: If Obama is for transparency and accountability, than how come I don't know what he stands for on pretty much everything except the war? His healthcare proposal is vague and he'll pay for it by taxing the wealthy.
Perhaps you have not listened or made an effort to get the information. His health plan is very detailed. You can get all the details off his website if you want to.... if you haven't made the effort to this point when the information is readily available... I guess you really haven't wanted to find it..

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I'm sick and tired of this idea that one person can just bring everyone together. It's like what Bill Clinton said yesterday, "it's a fairy tale".
No one can bring everyone together... I'm not sure where you got that idea. It's cynical to think that one man can't change the world. History has shown time and time again, that a single man in power can shape world events dramatically for good or for bad.

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Wishy-washy leadership, lazy voters, politicians that poll everything and change their positions until everything is gobbly-gook. Now McCain is for securing the borders first. He can't even declare what he really thinks!! Some maverick!!
It seems like you're jaded and fed up with the whole process.... So chill out and step away from the TV and political websites for a while. Good greif, if you're Canadian, you're not even voting. I would say the stress is not worth it, my friend.
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That last is an easy question. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." The old axe still applies - they don't hate Bush because of the war, they hate the war because of Bush.

When Hilbama gets elected and takes office, I won't be surprised to see a sudden change of heart, and the bad guys will go back to being our enemy instead of our government. Of course anything bad that happens will still be Bush's fault, but Hilbama will be supported in whatever s/he does.

And you can put your money on this - Hilbama will not pull all our troops out of Iraq.
It is easier to get out of Iraq friendly than staying there stubbornly and making more enemies. This is the simplest equation which only Obama can turn into a reality.
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