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Old 01-08-2008
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Re: Poor Hillary

Cry me a river.

You don't have the cajones to be POTUS. I think that's pretty clear now.
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Old 01-09-2008
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Healthcare reform is needed in the US. One of the problems is that our healthcare system supports a second, multi-billion dollar industry - the med/mal lawsuit lottery.
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You seem to be a resonably smart guy. You know Medical malpractice payouts are less than one percent of total U.S. health care costs.

The problem with US healthcare it is run by corporates which answer is to profits. It doesn't make them evil but it does make the system very inefficent.

Roughly the US health system is wasting 50% of its money compared to other systems in the world. It's structure is the problem. There is no joined up thinking between community care and secondary care. A 360 degree focus on the patient. The European systems are trying or have already done this. This
reduces healthcare costs but to be really effective it has to be done universally over the population.

The best way to think about this is like your car. You bring your car in to be serviced in say a BMW dealer. The BMW dealer will have a complete history of your car and do a regular check up. You do this so it won't cost you a fortune down the line. A human body is not that different. If we can get check ups and treatment earlier we save costs down the line. Richer are better at check ups because it is cover by insurance(but this is not always the case) or they can pay for it while the poor have differing priorities...

Health Insurance companies are not very inclined to do tests because all it does is highlight your problem earlier and if you could possibly move companies you might claim on someone else...

There is just not that but the mother of all is coming which can't be used in the US. Genetic testing, this involves testing people's DNA for the possibility of Genetic defects and puting them higher watch lists. This will save millions of lives.. The tests exist but are expensive at the moment but they will drop...
The problem is people in the US won't take them because they can rise there premuims..
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She just won NH Primary.

It only shows how dumb Dummycraps are.

You can't make me believe that 10 to 20 thousand Democrat women switched their vote just because Hillary was crying and showed a human side. If they did it only confirms to me that Democrats are some of the most gullible voters out there.

Hillary didn't even answer the question when she started welling up on national television. The questioner told her that she looked so good, which was BS in the first place, and then Hillary started going into her diatribe about how she sees America falling apart and that she has so many opportunities for America, that she is the only person with the ability to fix what's wrong with us.

I think that everyone who votes needs to take a competency test to see if they have any common sense because if the NH primary was legit then there seems to be a lack of it in that state.

By the way, in NH all you need to be able to vote is promise to establish residency in the future. You can go to a polling place, say you're thinking on moving into the state and they'll give you a ballot. I wish the Clintons needed to win a primary in Arkansas during Katrina. Then I think they could have emptied the state of Louisiana by themselves.
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Those who are actually paying attention know Bush isn't running, Jason.





Hillary has a single major policy initiative to her credit - and it was a dismal failure.

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Come January 2009, if Giuliani/McCain/Thompson/Romney or Huckabee is president, they will request money to keep funding the wars because "victory" is just around the corner.

The Republican Party no longer practices anything Ronald Reagan every taught it. It is now Bush's neo-con party. So please tell me how he's not running? Because his stink is clouding the whole election.

I wish people were more cynical, but it won't happen this or any other year it seems. While all the candidates poll every issue and begin to sound more alike as the year goes on, the value of thinking independently goes down. The lazy electorate begins to hear them invoke the things they care about at the moment, but when the leadership changes hands in January 2009, nothing will really change. We'll have both Republicans and Democrats who request more war funding, while we keep borrowing money from China, while personal liberties here suffer.

Not one candidate except a couple also-rans are actually talking about the Patriot Act and secret torture prisons and that's because Bush has made a mark on our culture.

Bush is definitely running in this campaign. His legacy looms over us like a dark cloud and it can either be addressed or ignored.
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Re: Poor Hillary

People are mad at Bush and he's not running. I can't see how voting for someone who's not qualified because their mad at Bush. ex.. I'm voting for Obama, Hilary, or Ron Paul because their mad at Bush. What about being what's best for the USA.
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Hillary is on Fox with that silly smile, that reminds me of the Grinch Who Stole Christmas, talking about how she loves this country, cares so much, how she got up before the crack of dawn every day, poured coffee for poll-workers, preformed open-heart surgery for handicapped children the last 4 days because she cares soooo much.
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If any of these asses cared so much, they would give us a piece of their minds and then we'd make up ours.

But as the primaries get going now, watch how all the "frontrunners" begin to sound more alike everyday. They switch positions and flip-flop everywhere.

Lou Dobbs is responsible for getting McCain to say that he wants to "Secure the Borders First", but come January 2009, d'ya think McCain will keep that pledge? What fools Americans have become. No sense of seeing through the bullshit and going for what's real and true.

Yesterday they were interviewing undecided voters on CNN. You should of heard these wankers. "Ay still don't know where all these candidates stand on the issues". Yokels who do no research go flocking to the polls to vote for whichever face they like the best, and then are all surprised when they pick liars and scoundrels.

Almost all that remains are status-quo candidates who will increasingly sound more alike with every passing day. Then the American public will vote for the one who repeats the polling results the most charismatically, and then we'll all be angry again when the 44th President of the United States asks for more war funds.

The only change that's left in America are a couple of quarters......on loan from China.
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Re: Poor Hillary

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The polls are all bullshit. One reason is because the people being asked the questions tell lies about their preferences. The attitude is, fuck you, it's none of your business. So they get a nice laugh by intentionally lying. I would never tell some asshole pollster what I really feel. It's called a 'secret ballot' for a reason!.
I must be on a lot of the "right" (or "wrong", depending upon your point of view) lists because I get polled fairly regularly. I've been exit polled, phone polled, mail polled...you name it.

For the last several years, I have made it my duty to answer each poll with as leftist of a response as I can reasonably get away with.

Anything I can do to give the left a false sense of security is bonus material. Plus, I don't like GOP pols that drift with the polls...the true conservatives are the ones that stick to their principles even when the [left-leaning results of] polls tempt them to not do so. Oh, where is Rick Santorum when we need him...

New Hampshire is easily explained by the "freedom" they give their "independent" voters. They bolstered McCain instead of Obama for any number of reasons - the majority of those reasons, I presume, are more strategic than an indication of actual voter preference.

Have a matchup in a state where registered Dems vote in the Dem primary and registered GOP vote in the GOP primary. That will be a valid experiment.
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Does anyone really feel sorry for Hillary?

She's gone from being the shoe-in to a loser in just 8 short days.
According to whom?
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By the way, in NH all you need to be able to vote is promise to establish residency in the future. You can go to a polling place, say you're thinking on moving into the state and they'll give you a ballot.
Is this true?

I've not heard the media bring this point up. That could make a huge difference in the vote tally if out of staters are allowed to fill out ballots.

Hillary imported a lot of out of state people to fill up her events. I saw that as no big deal.... but if she also imported votes, I wonder how significant that was.
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Is this true?

I've not heard the media bring this point up. That could make a huge difference in the vote tally if out of staters are allowed to fill out ballots.

Hillary imported a lot of out of state people to fill up her events. I saw that as no big deal.... but if she also imported votes, I wonder how significant that was.
LastBoyScout,

Look who made the comment. Mudwhisle, he has practically accussed Hillary of genocide.. Can't take his comments seriously.. Notice how he has no reference...

Hillary did ship in supporters to help but the news sources said that there was no vote rigging...
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LastBoyScout,

Look who made the comment. Mudwhisle, he has practically accussed Hillary of genocide.. Can't take his comments seriously.. Notice how he has no reference...

Hillary did ship in supporters to help but the news sources said that there was no vote rigging...

Don't exaggerate.

I've told it like it is plain and simple.

Everyone knows that you can't trust her and her husband. That's why you can never count them out. They are constantly trying to weasel their way to a win. I would think that voters would want someone who lays their cards on the table and let's people make up their own minds rather then constantly trying to trick voters by using stunts like the fake crying speech.

Did you know that the location of your name on a ballot can change the number of votes you'll get. You can get a 3 point boost just by insisting that your name is at the top of the ballot. This is a little known fact that I'm sure the Clintons are aware of. Some voters know so little about the issues that they vote for the first name they recognize on the ballot and don't even bother going all of the way down the list.

Also, they say that the Diebold voting machines showed that Hillary handily won NH but the hand count showed her losing by 2% to Obama. The difference between the hand count and the machine count was somewhere around 8%. Rumors had surfaced that college students were able to hack the machines. If college students could figure it out what's stopping Hillary supporters from doing the same at the polling places.

How did the polls get it so wrong? On of the reasons they were wrong is they should have asked voters in neighboring states who they were voting for in the New Hampshire Primary. The voting laws in NH are ridiculous. You don't even have to be a resident to vote there. All you have to do is say you're moving in the near future to the state and you get to vote. That's why they ran out of ballots. Out of state voters flooded the polls with first time voter applications. NH is one of the only states where you can vote at the same time you apply.

Now you know why NH insists on being one of the first states to hold a primary and why Democrats place so much importance on the event. It is a Liberal state and gives the candidate momentum going into the later primaries.

Republicans tend to vote for the candidate they feel represents them best, but Democrat voters tend to jump in with a populist candidate or popular movement in hopes of being with the eventual winner. That's because Republicans have core principles where as Democrats don't. Democrats would rather win then anything else. Image over substance.
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I hear Brett Favre's wife says if her husband retires after this season that she is offering herself as Quarterback for the GreenBay Packers. After all, she has been married to Brett for over 16 yrs and she knows the difference between a 2 Deep Zone and a Safety Blitz. She has traveled with her husband for many of his games and she knows just as much about being a starting Quarterback in the NFL as Hillary knows about being President. She thinks her experience is pretty obvious.
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I hear Brett Favre's wife says if her husband retires after this season that she is offering herself as Quarterback for the GreenBay Packers. After all, she has been married to Brett for over 16 yrs and she knows the difference between a 2 Deep Zone and a Safety Blitz. She has traveled with her husband for many of his games and she knows just as much about being a starting Quarterback in the NFL as Hillary knows about being President. She thinks her experience is pretty obvious.
Captain Obvious says, "The problem is neither of them has the actual skill to fill their respective better half's positions."

Running on "experience" and/or impugning (love that word) the "experience" of an opponent is a dicey thing. This applies, also, when running as an "outsider" and, in effect, deriding the "experience" of an opponent.

Kinda when like Frank Lautenberg initially ran for the U.S. Senate in NJ. His opponent was some old broad named Millicent Fenwick. That was, basically, the meat of Frank's campaign - the dame is too old. Now, of course, the mummified jackass is having to leave the Senate chambers on a regular basis to change his Depends Undergarments.

If I ran against Lautenberg next cycle (if he even runs...he was just a last minute substitute for a criminal on the ballot, if you remember), I wouldn't spend a dime producing campaign commercials. I'd just use his own old ones against him. Ah, the worm turns...
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Don't exaggerate.

I've told it like it is plain and simple.

Everyone knows that you can't trust her and her husband. That's why you can never count them out. They are constantly trying to weasel their way to a win. I would think that voters would want someone who lays their cards on the table and let's people make up their own minds rather then constantly trying to trick voters by using stunts like the fake crying speech.

Did you know that the location of your name on a ballot can change the number of votes you'll get. You can get a 3 point boost just by insisting that your name is at the top of the ballot. This is a little known fact that I'm sure the Clintons are aware of. Some voters know so little about the issues that they vote for the first name they recognize on the ballot and don't even bother going all of the way down the list.

Also, they say that the Diebold voting machines showed that Hillary handily won NH but the hand count showed her losing by 2% to Obama. The difference between the hand count and the machine count was somewhere around 8%. Rumors had surfaced that college students were able to hack the machines. If college students could figure it out what's stopping Hillary supporters from doing the same at the polling places.

How did the polls get it so wrong? On of the reasons they were wrong is they should have asked voters in neighboring states who they were voting for in the New Hampshire Primary. The voting laws in NH are ridiculous. You don't even have to be a resident to vote there. All you have to do is say you're moving in the near future to the state and you get to vote. That's why they ran out of ballots. Out of state voters flooded the polls with first time voter applications. NH is one of the only states where you can vote at the same time you apply.

Now you know why NH insists on being one of the first states to hold a primary and why Democrats place so much importance on the event. It is a Liberal state and gives the candidate momentum going into the later primaries.

Republicans tend to vote for the candidate they feel represents them best, but Democrat voters tend to jump in with a populist candidate or popular movement in hopes of being with the eventual winner. That's because Republicans have core principles where as Democrats don't. Democrats would rather win then anything else. Image over substance.
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You accused Hllary of a the crime of voter fraud... Now prove it or shut up... I questioned your crediblity...

By the way are you accusing Hillary of marrying Bill because she would be higher up the ballad paper...

While the Machines you talk about are made by lifelong Repulican... Remember we all remember 2000.

While what your saying about Democrats is only insulting tripe... Again no proof...
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