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Old 01-27-2008
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Their arrogance in this matter is as bad as that of Texans in every other matter.
Thanks for the glowing compliment...

But yeah i think Michagon got hit too but only by the Dems not the GOP.

FL again got totally hit by the Dems only half the delegates taken away by the GOP.

Like you said, Fuck Iowa and New Hampshire.

Incidently if Texas did it then it would be justified, we're the greatest state in the Union and deserve to have the most influence.
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If I were a Dem in Florida, I likely would feel the same. As a Florida Dem, I would also feel that not only has my primary vote been robbed, but my general election vote, as well. This pledge to "punish" looks like a big backfire.
As a Dem in Florida who just got back from voting in the beauty contest, I'm not particularly pissed, though I did vote anti-Hillary just in case she does try to get the delegates from Florida. Too bad we don't have either an open primary or at the least a semi-closed primary here in Florida. With the latter I might be tempted to change to independent. I just hope the Democrats know my general election vote isn't necessarily theirs.
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I think the only honest thing to do is let Florida and Michigan hold their democratic primaries after Feb. 5. with all candidates on the ballot.

Otherwise the delegates can't be counted, because there has not been a real vote.

So if no action is taken soon, I can't see how the Dem delegates in FLA and MI can possibly be legitimately allocated.
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I think the only honest thing to do is let Florida and Michigan hold their democratic primaries after Feb. 5. with all candidates on the ballot.

Otherwise the delegates can't be counted, because there has not been a real vote.

So if no action is taken soon, I can't see how the Dem delegates in FLA and MI can possibly be legitimately allocated.
Well unless I'm mistaken, there is a Florida election law that prevents what happened in Michigan, a candidate would essentially have to say he or she is no longer running for the presidency to get his of her name taken off the ballot. So everyone who was on the ballot, is on the ballot.

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I think the only honest thing to do is let Florida and Michigan hold their democratic primaries after Feb. 5. with all candidates on the ballot.

Otherwise the delegates can't be counted, because there has not been a real vote.

So if no action is taken soon, I can't see how the Dem delegates in FLA and MI can possibly be legitimately allocated.
The Primary date in Florida is determined by state law, and is set for the last Tuesday in January.

There is no way for the Democrats (or any other party) to hold their Florida primary after Feb. 5 without changing the law.

I am not sure what the date is here, but after a certain date the ballot it set, and it cannot be altered between that date and the election.

For instance, Kucinich and Thompson appeared on their respective party's primary ballots today in Florida, even though both have withdrawn from the race.

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Well unless I'm mistaken, there is a Florida election law that prevents what happened in Michigan, a candidate would essentially have to say he or she is no longer running for the presidency to get his of her name taken off the ballot. So everyone who was on the ballot, is on the ballot.

Hmm... then perhaps the DNC could legitimately reinstate FLA's delegates. But obviously MI's primary vote is useless.
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The Primary date in Florida is determined by state law, and is set for the last Tuesday in January.

There is no way for the Democrats (or any other party) to hold their Florida primary after Feb. 5 without changing the law.

I am not sure what the date is here, but after a certain date the ballot it set, and it cannot be altered between that date and the election.

For instance, Kucinich and Thompson appeared on their respective party's primary ballots today in Florida, even though both have withdrawn from the race.

Matt
I see. Laws don't change quickly, so I think the prospect of a re-vote in FLA is out of the question. But it sounds like FLA at least held a "ceremonial" vote in which all of the candidates were on the ballot.

An argument to reinstate the delegates at a later date might have some merit. MI is an entirely different matter.
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