"I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."

Will Rogers said it best

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

How many party functions have you attended?
How many party leaders have you written?
Have you let your voice be heard?

It's the party of the people, don't quit it, make it your party.......

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

It's funny. I have been dismayed by the decided lack of concern for my issues by dems over at least the last 15 years.. So much so that I have even considered working for the working families party in New York State.

Bill Clinton was a big business president as GATT and NAFTA show. Neither Obama nor Hillary nor edwards have done anything but pay lip service to the (IMO) heinous ravaging of our constitutional protections. And of course Hillary along with a sizable minority of her senate colleagues voted for the invasion. No democrat has really done anything to stop the steady erosion of workers' ability to negotiate with business as unions decay and rot before our eyes. For all the talk of universal health care, more and more of us are under cinstant threat of losing affordable insurance, Measures of economic health are always stated in terms of stock prices and productivity - never in terms of worker wage levels which have declined for 20 years and plunged under w. And no democrat has made any effort at all to rescind the ridiculous charade we call the war on drugs.

Except for the fact that republicans are determined to promote smarmy "family values" issues like homophobic amendments and to demean religious expression by entangling it with every facet of government they can think of, there is hardly any difference between the parties today.

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A nation of slaves is always prepared to applaud the clemency of their master who, in the abuse of absolute power, does not proceed to the utmost extremes of injustice and oppression.
Edward Gibbon

I'm an independent as well. Actually, I've been a registered Libertarian for about 25 years, so that means I'm not a part of any organized party, so I'm independent.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Unfortunately folks like Iam have no voice in his party because the likes of you have hijacked it, not everyone has time and money to attend functions and meet leaders. He has no place in the party and nobody else with a moderate stance will while the likes of you remain the base.

So i have to ask, if you find both parties' candidates to be bad how can you complain if you willingly don't register with either, even if it were for the sake of voting in a primary. For those of you who don't get to vote in primaries because you don't register how can you ever hope that your candidate gets on the ballot?

For one thing, I don't see any real difference between the two parties, outside of their public faces. To me they are two sides of the same coin and I refuse to lend my little insignificant name to either party's rolls.
It's not one side against the other. Maybe HERE, and on other public venues, but not in government. They have always had an almost 50/50 split and neither side does what they promise.

And with this bullshit of state primaries (we need one national primary), no matter which party I was a member of, I wouldn't have gotten to vote for my choices by the time Delaware's primary comes around. For the Dems, I liked Biden and Ron Paul for the GOP.

So for me there's no point.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

That's what I did, except I switched over to Republican first and then after a few years realized they are as much a bunch of ass clowns as the Democrats, so then I became Independent. And I haven't looked back.

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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

President George W. Bush, 8-5-2004

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Our primaries are open, so I can choose which one I will vote in.

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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

President George W. Bush, 8-5-2004

Carolina Politics Online

THIS IS REAL HOPE AND CHANGE!

Neither of them are the party of the people, Goober. Wake up.

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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

President George W. Bush, 8-5-2004

Carolina Politics Online

THIS IS REAL HOPE AND CHANGE!

I think eventually there will be more and more voters who switch away from the major parties. Though even more when and if we ever get the primary system reformed (For one thing, I support semi-closed primaries). That being said, I would say I'm one of those undecided voters. Hell, I still haven't decided on a candidate. Anyway, for anybody who wishes to know I've been a registered Democrat since 2004.

Though in all honestly it means squat, because I would say I'm very likely to switch my party as needed in the future. All it really means is I'm restricted to vote only in the Democratic primaries here in Florida come the 29th.

Yup, you're luckier, or unluckier dependant on which you look at it...

See a lot of hyper partisans like Goober would be livid if independants could vote in their state because they want the most ideologically partisan person available to represent them at the national level.

Biden is the home state candidate for you no? Apart from him anyone else? Paul i can't take seriously but some do i guess...

For folks like you and Pram and other independants who do you actually vote for in the General? I don't think you like Bush much, but somehow i don't see you as having voted for Kerry either somehow...what did you do? (If you don't mind saying), what about you Pram? Any other independants, if you didn't have what you saw as good representation from either candidate, who did you vote for? Or did you stay at home?

I never stay at home. I figure I can't bitch if I don't vote.



I've voted for some independents. If I didn't like any of the alternatives, I've written in Bill the Cat.

I knew that Bush was bad news from 1999. I voted for Gore, and I voted for Kerry (held my nose on that one). I'm not ashamed.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

What's worse than having no voice in your party due to the base being so different from where you stand is living in a district that has been so gerrymandered that your little neck of the neighborhood will NEVER be represented at the federal level. That was my case in MI...very Republican where I lived, but we were gerrymandered into the city of Detroit...almost all Dem. We were guaranteed to never have a voice when voting for a representative. That stinks, too. Kilpatrick never spoke for me or the rest of my "hood".

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