D.I.T.T.O. but you forgot to mention just one thing. Obama has stated many times that the inspiration of his book,--came from his Pastor Wright.

This is not some loud-mouthed uncle that jumps out of the closet every now & then, this is a man whom he respects & admires.

You are so right to mention what if a white candidate had gone to a white racist church. Look at what we've witnessed over the last couple of months.

Bill Clinton simply mentioning Jessie Jackson's name as winning a state in the south is considered a "racist comment".

Bill O'Reilly in an off the cuff statement, that is used frequently by everyone--"lynch mob", is now considered a racist. And on & on it goes.

Yet, we are to believe Barack Obama as being the person who can unite black & white, yet he has been a 20 year member of a black racist seperatist church.

If this was a white candidate, the party either the RNC or DNC would have already demanded his/her candidacy as ineligible to run for the Presidency of the United States.

well obama says he will give a major speech on the "religious" issue tomorrow.

Apparently despite the msm not covering this, the word is out and peeps are getting more interested. It’s now time to "tune" the message and see what he can salvage regards reputation. I’d say his reputation not soiled but being questioned.
Hes not gone down that far yet, one blurb I saw, he said he was going to attempt to explain what the black religious experience is like. I have been to black churches, those he’s speaking to are folks in the north “burbia”, who have never lived in an area attended or had friends who did, that realize that many many black churches are more like revivals etc. Music, loud declamations from the pastor, soaring oratory etc. etc. Overall an excellent message and a real feel good atmosphere. But............

I don’t know who much traction this will gain. For those that have been to a black church, we know that, the pastor is the voice, the moving force and the king the temporal head, if you will, of his parish and are far from shy. To those that are familiar with this atmosphere, Obama not knowing what his pastor espouses, is, well, not very convincing. My understanding is there’s like 35 sermons out there where in what has been labeled as containing objectionable connotations where in this language has been used. Depending upon when he started filming recording etc. That’s a fair amount I think. And you can bet Hills operatives are working overtime along with the rnc’s, to download and catalogue those available. Add to that that they are I am sure looking very quietly for anyone that will come forward to “witness” ( pardon the pun), the fact that Obama was at one of these sermons where in this questionable material was used. If they find one, and get them on the record, he’s through.


I think people want him to totally disavow any and all connection, And even then......what kind of speech can you give to convince people who have seen and heard what they have heard so far? And, its that 20 years.....damn.....hes gonna have to appemt to convince folks in 20 years he never knew this mans mind....thats a tall order.

Or he could take the I aint backing gonna back down tack....I am black, the message was important to me, so I stayed...naaa, that won't work. Hes already said he didn't know....thinking out loud here.

Or, he may just confess, say he was misguided and got religion, regards the messageswhat “little” he heard there were not correct and hes sorry...thats why he asked wright out of the shop, and then theres the thought that, so far, with little to no msm acknowledgement, hes gonna put this front and center on the front pages.....and can count on fawning media sppt.....

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I think this is a deal killer for many voters. Not only do Obama's blundering explanations ring hollow, these blunders illuminate the total lack of depth in him. Take away the teleprompter and he sounds like a fumbling, bumbling idiot -"Duh, I Uh, I Oh, I ahh, aahhh ah, ah ah, I ah duh, no, I ahhh... hamana,..hamana....hamana...."

Anyway, Obama didn't just attend this church for a few years, he went there for 20 years!! Reverend Wright baptized all of Obama's children. Obama has a very, very close relationship with this hate filled racist. So close a relationship that he even quotes Wright in his book "The Audacity of CHope". So close that he named Wright as his campaign's "spiritual adviser". So close that even now, after all of the uproar over Wright's hate filled diatribes against our nation(and all "white" people) he is still a member of Wright's hate mongering, bile spewing, racist church. Oprah Winfrey disassociated herself from this church after hearing one of Rev. Wright's hate filled sermons. Yet St. Obama claims he never heard any of these things while at the very same church? HUH? What does he take us for, fools? Either he is a vapid, naive idiot, or he is a baldfaced liar. Neither are qualities we need in a President. This will lose Obama plenty of votes, now the moderates and swing voters will go with McCain.

My guess is that as long as Hillary wins Pennsylvania, she will be given the DNC nomination by the Super delegates in a smoke filled back room. Over the past 72 hours the DNC has stood by as Obama's poll numbers haved drop like a falling rock. He is now losing to McCain by 6-8% and falling further by the hour.

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I think that was what he and his friends had hoped for.

They figured that the media would support anything. All he had to do was weather the storm without folding.

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ethel and liquid metal???

impressive......try sirius channel 20 much gooder , have xm in one car, and sirius in the other

sirius rock is incredible

your point is valid but i still dont see the connection, by that the same level of crazy. this is the first thing that obama ( my viewpoint) really has been bashed for , and it is good to see how he is reacting IMO

I don't give a fuck what some racist pastor said. It has nothing to do with Obama as far as I'm concerned and anyone who thinks it does wasn't gonna vote for him anyways. This is a non story. Wait for his speech tomorrow.

Oh , you're wrong on that. Many have abandoned him, if you believe the polls.

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I did speak to a verifiable fact, namely that it's horseshit that Obama goes to the same church with the same pastor for twenty years and then claims he didn't know that said pastor was preaching angry, Afro-centric, black nationalism.

Horseshit, Johnny -- pure, unadulterated horseshit.

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And you believe Obama never heard his paster say those things before?

I don't need to hear the speech. He had his chance to be honest and blew it.

He's already made his bed. Now he needs to sleep in it.

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[quote=Imperator;1181857]well obama says he will give a major speech on the "religious" issue tomorrow.QUOTE]

And you can bet they're burnin the midnight oil in that camp, carefully drafting a speech that Obama will deliver meticulously with his forefinger and thumb holding his imaginary maestro stick (tap tap tap)
His is gonna piss of some of the brothers tomorrow, but he's counting votes and lawd nose th' bruthas doan vote too much.

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I don't see Afro-centrism and black nationalism being much of a vote-getter with non-blacks, of which he'll need a goodly proportion if he's going to beat McCain.

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Your wrong

i am 95% sure i will vote for him if he wins his parties nomination

and this is an ISSUE ..... the last thing we need is a racist president of any color

his pastor is a racist IMO and in the end if you are around bigotry it will frame your view in a skewed way and that pastor definetley is a prejudiced at the least individual who thinks whites are the ills of the world and pretty much the reason you cant get a good burger at burger king if you know what i mean

to say that obama is good to go when he thinks this man is such a great man ...yet he thinks; the pastor ;that we deserved 911? that shit isnt good unless you agree with that . do you agree with that danny?

wow, talk about denial..... Put down the Kool Aid, you need a reality check, stat!!

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I guess you feel the same way about McCain and his pastor who preaches hatred of Catholics and Jews, he must have wholeheartedly embraced that, right?

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Of course it isn't. But, the more important question is whether people were perceive or remember that. When next week's huge, campaign-ruining Hillary scandal and the following week's huge campaign-ruining McCain scandal, and then the following weeks huge, campaign-ruining, next Obama scandal have all gotten the feasters on minutiae squawking, who will be able to keep this one at the forefront? People will be like, dude... that was so March.

By then, no doubt Hillary's personal stylist will have been caught with a dimebag of weed, or McCain's dog-walker will be revealed to be an animal abuser (how can he run the country if he's going to pick out people who are cruel to animals to take care of his own pets?!?). Once all the shrieking dies down from those things, like the alarm brain blasts in Harrison Bergeron, who will be able to remember what the hell he was thinking a few weeks earlier

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