I don't know about any hood, but he did explain himself through PM.

We're cool.

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The deep dark secret is finally out. Black people are learning to hate whites in church and have been for decades.

That is why Rev. Wrights sermons doesn't surprise any of them. It's just a fact in their lives. It would have been nice if they had let whites know about this. But then they wouldn't have been able to hate whites without them knowing it for so many years. I know that's a bad way to put it but that's what it amounts to. It's starting to look like when Kanya West said Bush doesn't care for Black people he was just repeating what came out of his pastor's mouth.


I talked about this same topic on another site 3 years ago. They said I was crazy and a racist.



Now that the cat is out of the bag and that Obama is not the Golden Ticket to the White House he once was thought to be there is going to be a great deal of re-evaluation done in the Democrat Party. I think he will solidify the Black vote and lose untold numbers of White voters.

Whites thought he was color-blind. Now they discover that he's just like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton but in a more palatable package.


I think he will go to Denver with the lead in delegates, and if he doesn't get the nomination I expect riots in several cities. If he wins the nomination but loses the election Whites will be blamed for it. Obama went wrong when he decided to experience his Black roots which he has every right to do. He can only blame himself for having to ultimately lie about his true feelings and lie about what happens in black churches all over America.

After hearing the words of Rev. Wright and now other black pastors it makes the little slip of the tongue Don Imus had look pretty tame.

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Intelligent people understand that black people as a group are far more racist than whites, we just don't discuss the fact because we treat blacks very gingerly in this country. We aren't allowed to tell them to grow up and stop blaming slavery for their problems or we are attacked and labeled as racists. If Obama truly had transcended race as he claims, he would never of attended that church for 20 years. He's shown himself to be "just another liberal". The only thing different about him is his odd name.

Ann Coulter wrote this today: I find myself agreeing with her.

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

Unfortunately for Obama, I really didn't see a race issue in this campaign until it came from his pastor. Obama has gotten where he is today from white voters, who had, at least until now, enthusiastically supported him. They & myself included, believed that he was more than capable of bridging that gap, working with white & black & across political isles too.

I read his race speech & it's a good one, as always. It still does not explain how he could be a 20 year member of a racist, seperatist church, & then give a speech on how we should all bridge the gap between black & white.

If he really believed what his speech was about, then he would have left that church or at least tried to change ideology within it many years ago.

He didn't. He admits listening, to the often times, hateful, racist remarks of his pastor. Something of which he mentioned his white grandmother did, which made him "cringe". Obama credits his pastor as the inspiration of his book. This is a man that Obama respects.

So, in my opinion, his speech is nothing more than trying to save his own candidacy. I can't buy into something that just doesn't make sense.

You know, I'd bet dollars to donuts (I know it's even money now, but the expression used to mean "I'd give big odds") that most of the time that pastor talks about Jesus, and brotherhood, and all the stuff you'd hear in any Christian church in America, and that every now and then he goes a little over the top to make a point, and the congregation takes it in stride because that's the way he is.
I've seen the clips, but I don't think that those clips represent what happens in that church on a typical Sunday.
I just don't believe that his run of the mill Sunday Sermon is a racist hate message. If it was, then I think a politically savvy guy like Barack Obama would have split a long time ago.
It just doesn't make sense any other way............
And after listening to Obama's speech on the subject, I can't find any fault with Obama.
I grew up in an America where people told nigger jokes and spic jokes and polack jokes and guinea jokes, and felt very comfortable doing so as long as the targeted minority was not present in the group, racism was a part of the American culture. A twisted evil part of the culture, to be sure.
but as Solzhenitsyn wrote

"Wouldn't it be wonderful, to take all the evil people and put them over there, then we wouldn't have to deal with them. And all of us good people would stay right here. The problem is that the line separating good and evil cuts right through the human heart. And who can cut out their own heart?"

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Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Obama's problem is credibility. He is exposed as a liar and a hypocrite. He condemned Imus a few months back. But then makes excuses for Jeremiah Wright who said far more offensive things. WTF? That is hypocrisy, period.

Obama says that he is "shocked, shocked," at what Jeremiah Wright said, that he was not in the church when pastor Wright said those things from the pulpit. Really? Are we really to believe that lie? If that was the case why did he dis-invite Reverend Wright from his candidacy announcement a year ago? It is hard to imagine that someone with ears as large as Obama's cannot hear! But even if Obama never heard firsthand (or from the thousands of other members of the church or from the numerous tapes that were for sale at the church) exactly what his pastor was saying, he still spent 20 years in that racist church!! And not just as an ordinary member, but as someone who once donated $20,000 to the church. Sorry Goober, there is no fucking way that he didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American and racist diatribes and views. No way at all. He is lying to us. What a shock!! A politician from the Chicago political machine that, gasp, tells lies!! Oh my......

Remember, a con man's job is not to convince skeptics but to enable people to continue to believe what they already want to believe. You want to believe, you need to believe! Therefore you will believe. I only hope the Kool-aid is cold and delicious........

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I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

Wait until you hear the preaching of Jeremiah Wright's mentor.

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I would like to be able to agree with you on that point. But I can't. After listening to several black pastor's, this is the norm. It's shocking to us, but it is apparent that a black church is a place, (according to the pastor's I have heard) to vent social issues. It's a place where white America is blamed for their issues.

I believe in luck. And I think Mrs. Clinton carriies her unluckiness whereever she goes.

Excerpts: Adam Nagourney, NYT.

Our man is one of those guys who brings, creates his own luck wherever he goes, whatever happens to him.

So what exactly did Jeremiah Wright say that has everyone so upset? I've watched a few of his sermons on YouTube, and I can't find anything that offends me, and more than what any preacher says.

Let's here what everyone is up in arms about, and examine them case by case.

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-Thomas Jefferson

Go to the church's site and see if you think the same way.
Trinity United Church of Christ

I chose a random direct feed that was in the archives in Feb. of this year and watched one of his sermons. After all of the singing and dancing was over with, which is normal in most churches, and the introductions, he started in talking about Slavery and Brier Rabbit.

It seems Rev. Wright is living in the past. If you want to hear about slavery over and over again sit in on services at the Trinity United Church. Or you could just rent Roots.

You brought up a good point. Those racist jokes were left behind in the 60s and aren't used anymore. If it seemed normal to you.....it was because that was the way America was back then. America has changed, but blacks don't seem to know this. Now we know why.

The racist rhetoric that passes for normality TODAY.......AT THIS MOMENT has not been left behind by blacks. It only re enforces the divisions in this country and perpetuates their hatred towards whites, a hatred that most of us have left behind. A hatred that some of us always felt was wrong in the first place and never agreed with.

Black history month is an example of the government reminders of their hated past. Blacks are constantly reminded by their pastor of their history. Many of them have never seen discrimination in any institutional form yet they all feel discriminated. Many of them have no right to complain. Obama is one who has no right to complain about his upbringing. Yet he feels he is one of them and so he identifies with their version of black history, the version that Rev. Wright teaches. Constant reminders of slavery and discrimination by their pastors and peers is the big ugly secret they can't admit to in public. They can admit this among themselves but not around whites.

This may be a good thing because a secret like this needed to be exposed.

Obama's defenders are claiming that we can't base our opinions off of snippets and sound bites. Many of the black pastors in America don't preach this way. Rev. Fredrick K. Price is one that I've been listening to for at least 10 years. He never has said things like Rev. Wright. Obama had a choice in all of this. He could have found a pastor that was teaching the real gospel like Rev. Price, but instead he chose somebody like Rev. Wright. This tells me something about Obama.

To be honest with you, with some blacks their history is their reason for existence. They wouldn't change it even if they could. It's what gives them a purpose in life. Nobody can do anything about it. We can't change anything for them. Our job is to just listen to them tell us about it and that's it. Even though most of their complaints are baseless don't you dare disagree with them. If you do you're labeled a racist. We couldn't possibly understand the "Black Experience".

Some people that spend their lives complaining about everything aren't really interested in solutions. They just like to complain.

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How naive are you to think that absent rhetoric, blacks in America wouldn't have anything to be upset about. You foment the notion that white on black racism doesn't exist today, that it is somehow just the reliving of the past that keeps us divided. Are you really so naive?

I moved to Pennsylvania from California, and the first thing that struck me was when my family went to IHOP for dinner. I couldn't believe what was happening--only white people were seated next to the windows, all black people were given tables away from the windows--even with empty window seats available, black people were only being seated away from the windows. They obviously didn't want black people being seen in the windows--despite the fact that most of the staff was black; I think the manager was Asian.

I find it quite amazing how so many whites think that racism against blacks is over in America. Just look at incarceration levels and you can see there is still racism against blacks--though I know you won't see it that way. I doubt you are black.

But for you to think whites don't give blacks enough to be upset about, you've got some research to do.

Which complaints do you find baseless?

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-Thomas Jefferson

This is incredible! What I'm shown is that some of y'all Bible-thumping right-wing nuts obviously DON'T go to church at all.

You nutjobs are trying to tell me that I'm responsible for what my pastor say in church? Are you out of your minds? If you go to church often enough, you are going to hear some stupid things said during sermons. I have being to many churches, heard many dumb things, but also heard far greater good words from the Lord. I have never met a regular church goer who agrees with everything his/her pastor said. I once heard a pastor preached to us that if you play a rock n roll record backwards, you'd hear satanic messages; therefore we should all shun rock n rollers because they are for the devil. So now that makes me a Mike Huckabee hater because my pastor said peole who plays bass guitar is evil? Get a life! Better yet, get a brain!

If you nutjobs are going to go down this road, this idea that if you hear evil then you are evil. Fine. Then all the hatred that is ever uttered by the top brass of the Republican party, your Faux News morons, your Druggie Limbaugh, your hypocrite gay preachers, your racist leaders; are all going to be leveled at John McCain... and at you.

what I am shown is what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander.
Poor judgment lack of character, political expediency is the domain of the dem. "black" nominee, because he’s black, he is treated with kids gloves.

If this were a black republican candidate, he'd have resigned by now after being hounded to death by every mainstream media outlet in print or on television.
The hypocrisy is beyond understanding.

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If you listen to the same band for 20 years , are you not a fan? Cool the nutjobs shit pal, if you have a real argument, bring it.

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