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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor
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You sound pretty hateful yourself. Who's the real nut-job?
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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor
I'd better make a correction.
Most of us have moved on but it seems the Democrats haven't. They're still as prejudice as they always were: MyDD :: Obama: grandmother was "typical white person"
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see my original quote below, as to an answer, itstill stands in my opinion, you are it appears treading the line of the dilletante - wow, really? You say you take an outsiders point of view than begin to make judgments based on what? Frankly, I think you may need to live here, before making sweeping statements like these. as far as you accusing me of having "pegged you"...you'll have to be specific, I have never made comments of that nature to you. So, I expect an apology, I don't cotton to being accused in open forum as a closed minded labeler.
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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor
First of all, if I remember correctly, nobody pays any attention to what the pastor says in church, that's when you kind of nod off, and start daydreaming, to 99% of normal human beings, the sermon is the most most boring part of their week, even waiting in line at the toll booths has more excitement and intellectual stimulation.
So I guess all these people leveling charges at Obama have never been to church, either that or they are huge hypocrites for holding Obama to a different standard than everyone else.
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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor
Well, on the plus side, at least no one thinks he's Muslim anymore. That's...something.
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Nor has that nonsense gone away completely, I see (not so much here, but at other sites) posters still trying to paint Sen Obama as both a "radical black Christian" and a "radical Muslim terrorist supporter," many times in the same post. I've yet to see one of them answer the simple question of: Well, which is it? Logic isn't needed in attempts to demonize someone, just lies and empty rhetoric and an audience without the capacity or the willingness to see through it. |
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if you can nod off during one of wrights or, in fact any black church sermon or service, I have seen heard about, OR was exhibited here ion by the vid. good for you, maybe you can if you have not slept in a few days...you obviously have never been to a black church......thx for the obligatory dem/lib defensive drive by though...
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Lies? What lies and why is questioning a mans Judgement now "demonization"?I'll remember that when I read the next NY Times article where in 2 unamed sources, level accusations of "possible", possible, misbehavior..... I suppose if I hit the archives here I will find posts from you declaiming the demonization of McCain, for what amounts to in Bill Kellers words ( edit. of the NY Times), not very much and not well sourced news?????? Yea uh huh. Where was your capacity to see through that? On vacation? So, lets be clear; Obama has not committed an error, his judgment is not in question, and questioning his character or judgment is a “partisan” attack and is, dishonest.This is is all one big hit piece? Has it occurred to you Johnny, he could have made this speech months ago, but by his own admission, he didn’t want to run on race. He took Hillary and Bill to task for raising race did he not? Ferraro etc. not a few days before this broke? He however, faced with an issue not framed in racial context, immediately decides to handle what is a political issue, by playing the race card. That’s in and of itself very hypocritical. My bay Area lib friends even admit this is not consistent and has probably hurt himself in the long term instead of just pleading out…but no, not here at the forums…its all good. I won’t even go into the media hypocrisy…..what’s the point. He can do no wrong.
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As you yourself pointed out, the guy has tried and tried NOT to run on race, he was forced to make a statement and he made a profound one. I don't know more you can ask of a candidate. A white candidate wouldnt have to deal with this challenge. There would be others, but there's no way a Black candidate was going to run without race becoming an issue at SOME point. And since it did I respect him for tackling it head on. It's presidential AND shows integrity. But, again. Is THIS what your vote is going to hinge on Imperator?
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Imperator,
You have your opinions, I have mine. Considering my previous experiences, I'd rather not engage in discussion with you. Thanks for understanding. Johnny K |
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Why don't we call a spade a spade? These implications that Obama shares the views of his pastor are nothing more than an attempt to damage the credibility of a man because he is liberal. No one honestly believes that Obama is a racist. But if people can destroy a liberal by implying that he holds racist views, they won't hesitate. It's all a means to an end for them. No one believes that John McCain shares the views of everyone with which he associates. The same belief should apply to Senator Obama. It's fair to question his judgment because of unwavering loyalty to his church and his pastor. It's fair to question his judgment because he promotes liberal policies. It's unfair to suggest that his opinions regarding race are any more than a belief that we should recognize the problems if we're going to overcome them.
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Re: Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor
Listening to a band for 20 years doesn't necessarily mean to agree with all the views of that band. I really like Cat Stevens. That doesn't mean I agree with all the stuff he says. I really like Morrissey. That doesn't mean I agree with all the stuff he says. I really like Dead Prez. That doesn't mean "I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in they city hall." Get the point?
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I cannot unfortunately guarantee I won’t to your posts, commentary etc. This is after all, the reason why we are here…
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