C. Rice sure got a lot of racist crap printed about her yet there was little outrage about those incidents. Interestingly enough, there was little outrage from the NOWers, either.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Slavery for starters. Not one of them has ever been one.
The lie that we invented AIDs to kill blacks.
That we nuked Hiroshima only because they were people of color.
That the prison rate for blacks is high because we're trying to get them off the streets.


But I doubt very much that blacks weren't allowed next to the windows. You must be high to think that I would believe that nonsense.


And as for incarceration levels...............people usually get thrown in prison for breaking the law, not for being black.

Imagine a bunch of young idiots listening to Rev. Wright being worked up into a racist froth every Sunday, sending them out into the public with a massive chip on their shoulder. They don't have to believe everything he says, but hate speech like we witnessed isn't going to foster Koom Bi Yah feelings with whites I can assure you.

Hollywood doesn't help them much ether. Most black movies are so depressing I can't stand watching them. The last real good black movie I took the time to watch was Boys In The Hood. Most of them since then have been pretty sad.

I never said that whites aren't prejudice. It just isn't like it used to be. Something that slipped by you was that I believe that institutional discrimination by whites is rare these days, but for blacks we've discovered that it is rampant.

Don Imus gets fired for three words but Rev. Wright is praised even though we have plenty of footage of his racist rants. Organizations like the Black Lawyers for Justice, The New Black Panthers, The Nation of Islam, Black Entertainment Television, Black Movie Channels, Black only awards, Black Miss American Pageant, etc. What would happen if we started up white TV channels, white only beauty pageants, white only law offices, and a white history month.

I don't need you telling me about whites hating blacks because I've been called Nigger Lover plenty of times when I was with my wife in public........but no more. People hardly notice these days.

White America doesn't exist.

Black America exists by their own choosing.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

You sound pretty hateful yourself.

Who's the real nut-job?

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

I'd better make a correction.

Most of us have moved on but it seems the Democrats haven't.

They're still as prejudice as they always were:

MyDD :: Obama: grandmother was "typical white person"

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

see my original quote below, as to an answer, itstill stands in my opinion, you are it appears treading the line of the dilletante -

wow, really? You say you take an outsiders point of view than begin to make judgments based on what? Frankly, I think you may need to live here, before making sweeping statements like these.


as far as you accusing me of having "pegged you"...you'll have to be specific, I have never made comments of that nature to you. So, I expect an apology, I don't cotton to being accused in open forum as a closed minded labeler.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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First of all, if I remember correctly, nobody pays any attention to what the pastor says in church, that's when you kind of nod off, and start daydreaming, to 99% of normal human beings, the sermon is the most most boring part of their week, even waiting in line at the toll booths has more excitement and intellectual stimulation.

So I guess all these people leveling charges at Obama have never been to church, either that or they are huge hypocrites for holding Obama to a different standard than everyone else.

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Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Well, on the plus side, at least no one thinks he's Muslim anymore. That's...something.

I'm not so sure very many actually "thought" that to begin with. Tried to portray him as a Muslim? Most certainly, gotta get your fear factor where you can.

Nor has that nonsense gone away completely, I see (not so much here, but at other sites) posters still trying to paint Sen Obama as both a "radical black Christian" and a "radical Muslim terrorist supporter," many times in the same post. I've yet to see one of them answer the simple question of: Well, which is it?

Logic isn't needed in attempts to demonize someone, just lies and empty rhetoric and an audience without the capacity or the willingness to see through it.

goober-
if you can nod off during one of wrights or, in fact any black church sermon or service, I have seen heard about, OR was exhibited here ion by the vid. good for you, maybe you can if you have not slept in a few days...you obviously have never been to a black church......thx for the obligatory dem/lib defensive drive by though...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Or complete and absolute- uber partisan, goose stepping denial. Your media fellowship has covered itself with glory......well done.

Lies? What lies and why is questioning a mans Judgement now "demonization"?I'll remember that when I read the next NY Times article where in 2 unamed sources, level accusations of "possible", possible, misbehavior.....

I suppose if I hit the archives here I will find posts from you declaiming the demonization of McCain, for what amounts to in Bill Kellers words ( edit. of the NY Times), not very much and not well sourced news??????


Yea uh huh. Where was your capacity to see through that? On vacation?

So, lets be clear; Obama has not committed an error, his judgment is not in question, and questioning his character or judgment is a “partisan” attack and is, dishonest.This is is all one big hit piece?

Has it occurred to you Johnny, he could have made this speech months ago, but by his own admission, he didn’t want to run on race. He took Hillary and Bill to task for raising race did he not? Ferraro etc. not a few days before this broke?

He however, faced with an issue not framed in racial context, immediately decides to handle what is a political issue, by playing the race card. That’s in and of itself very hypocritical. My bay Area lib friends even admit this is not consistent and has probably hurt himself in the long term instead of just pleading out…but no, not here at the forums…its all good.


I won’t even go into the media hypocrisy…..what’s the point. He can do no wrong.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

I really disagre with you that the Jeffrey Wright scandal was a "political issue" and not a "race issue." Wright's controversial statements were about race. Wright's "anti-americanism" was all rooted in a critic of American white supremacy. Now however you feel about his comments, you can not say that Obama could not address racial tension when responding to a controversy ABOUT racial tension.

As you yourself pointed out, the guy has tried and tried NOT to run on race, he was forced to make a statement and he made a profound one. I don't know more you can ask of a candidate. A white candidate wouldnt have to deal with this challenge. There would be others, but there's no way a Black candidate was going to run without race becoming an issue at SOME point. And since it did I respect him for tackling it head on. It's presidential AND shows integrity.

But, again. Is THIS what your vote is going to hinge on Imperator?

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Imperator,

You have your opinions, I have mine. Considering my previous experiences, I'd rather not engage in discussion with you.

Thanks for understanding.

Johnny K

Proclaiming that racial divisions need to be overcome is not playing the race card. If Obama had come out and said, "These attacks are coming at me because I'm black," he'd be playing the race card. But he's said nothing of the sort.

Why don't we call a spade a spade? These implications that Obama shares the views of his pastor are nothing more than an attempt to damage the credibility of a man because he is liberal. No one honestly believes that Obama is a racist. But if people can destroy a liberal by implying that he holds racist views, they won't hesitate. It's all a means to an end for them. No one believes that John McCain shares the views of everyone with which he associates. The same belief should apply to Senator Obama.

It's fair to question his judgment because of unwavering loyalty to his church and his pastor. It's fair to question his judgment because he promotes liberal policies. It's unfair to suggest that his opinions regarding race are any more than a belief that we should recognize the problems if we're going to overcome them.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Listening to a band for 20 years doesn't necessarily mean to agree with all the views of that band. I really like Cat Stevens. That doesn't mean I agree with all the stuff he says. I really like Morrissey. That doesn't mean I agree with all the stuff he says. I really like Dead Prez. That doesn't mean "I'm down for runnin' up on them crackers in they city hall." Get the point?

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

"previous experiences"...humm, okay, well, you were always free not to engage....sorry to hear it.


I cannot unfortunately guarantee I won’t to your posts, commentary etc. This is after all, the reason why we are here…

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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