Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor - Page 2 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

mudwhistle · #16 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

Why do people act as though this was a common part Reverend Wright's sermons week-in-and-week-out. These were random occurrences that have destroyed this man's legacy, all with the purpose of bringing down a presidential candidate. I can't believe we're reaching a point where the sins of everyone that surrounds the political figure are cast upon that political figure. It was pathetic when it was done to Mitt Romney. It's pathetic when it's being done to Barack Obama.

But this idea that someone should leave their church because they disagree with some of the things the preacher says is absolutely ludicrous. Would you abandon members of your family that made racist or sexist or homophobic statements just becuase you disagreed with them? What if your church was as big a part of your life as your family? Obama said Wright was like an uncle. That doesn't surprise me one bit. I've got a racist uncle. I still hang out with him sometimes. Does that make me a racist? This whole "agreement by association" principle falls flat on its face.

And these same people find it acceptable for a candidate to be endorsed by someone who has made homophobic, anti-Semetic or anti-Catholic remarks because, to them, it's the degree of association that matters, and they are the deciders regarding what degree is acceptable.

If anyone could find me a single piece of evidence that Barack Obama shares any kind of this sentiment, I'd really love to see it. Otherwise, if we're going to continue this "agreement by association" mentality, I'd be worried about the tremendous can of worms that will be opened regarding associations on the other side.

They've been using guilt by association against Bush and Cheney since they've been in office, so please don't attempt to act all high and mighty. It was used with Enron, Halliburton, Gitmo, Abu Grab, etc.,

You mentioned your Uncle.

You can always find another church and another pastor that preaches doctrine you can agree with.

You can't always find another Uncle. He will always be your Uncle.

mudwhistle · #17 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lil

One of the most intelligent posts I've read in a while. Sad really, I have to wonder where all the "alarmists" were when Bush's lies sent people to kill and be killed in Iraq.

I thought Obama explained it in a way most of us can understand, if we chose to...an elderly black (ex-marine) preacher whose lifetime of prejudices found a way into his rhetoric. Looks to me like the latest paranoia craze.

BTW, I like your moniker. I heard him speak when I was seventeen, and have that same feeling with Obama.

You just proved the point of this thread.

You can't listen to someone for any long period if they often say things you don't agree with. Because you agree with Obama what he says doesn't bother you. I know Obama is wrong on almost everything. Therefore I can't sit down and listen to him without getting upset about it. You soak it in like a sponge and ask for a second helping.

iamwhatiseem · #18 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lil

One of the most intelligent posts I've read in a while. Sad really, I have to wonder where all the "alarmists" were when Bush's lies sent people to kill and be killed in Iraq.

I thought Obama explained it in a way most of us can understand, if we chose to...an elderly black (ex-marine) preacher whose lifetime of prejudices found a way into his rhetoric. Looks to me like the latest paranoia craze.

BTW, I like your moniker. I heard him speak when I was seventeen, and have that same feeling with Obama.

Incredibly weak statement, and silly attempt to sway the attention.

Lil · #19 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lil

One of the most intelligent posts I've read in a while. Sad really, I have to wonder where all the "alarmists" were when Bush's lies sent people to kill and be killed in Iraq.

I thought Obama explained it in a way most of us can understand, if we chose to...an elderly black (ex-marine) preacher whose lifetime of prejudices found a way into his rhetoric. Looks to me like the latest paranoia craze.

BTW, I like your moniker. I heard him speak when I was seventeen, and have that same feeling with Obama.

correction, make that lifetime experiences of prejudice. Poor sentence construction, but you know what I mean...I hope!

Oreo · #20 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by daisym

My mother went to the same church for almost 50 years. the priest who was at that church for the last 15 years of my mother's life was someone who she did not agree with on many key issues.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that she disapporoved of him - and at times claimed "he was not a real priest."

I have no idea what things are like among protestants, but I keep hearing about "a personal relationship with God."

It shouldn't matter two hoots if Mickey Mouse is your local priest/pastor. Your attendance at a church is about YOUR relationship with God if you are a believer.

Isn't it?

It may well be true that Obama's attending this particular church does say something about him, but if his fellow christians expect him to engage in church swapping if he doesn't like the pastor, I'm not too sure why they want to keep telling me about this "personal" relationship with God.

Is your relationship with God really a threesome with your pastor?

I disagree. I have been to several churches in my lifetime. If any pastor gets up & talks about something I disagree with, I don't walk, I run. In no way would I consider joining a church that was racist or biased against others or hateful toward my country.

The irony is: Had these videos come out early in the democrat primary, Barack Obama would have been the very first nominee to be forced to drop out.

This will be Barack Obama's end. Hillary Clinton would be nuts to have Obama on her ticket.

That's how bad these videos are.

Lost Soul · #21 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

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A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

Trinity United Church of Christ

Name what Presidential candidate that has been a long time member of the above radical church?

I love how they enjoy the freedoms of living in America yet hold their allegiance to another country not America.

Yet one of their members wants to be the leader of this great nation but hold a higher allegiance to another country.

Imperator · #22 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lil

One of the most intelligent posts I've read in a while. Sad really, I have to wonder where all the "alarmists" were when Bush's lies sent people to kill and be killed in Iraq.

okay well said, so I would ask- where were the alarmists when bush gave a one time talk and visit at Bob Jones U.?

They where were all over the media thats were.

so I have use the logic you employed-
obama relgious putlook= offlimits
all others=open topic

Imperator · #23 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

threads merged.

pramjockey · #24 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

McCain accepts a controversial endorsement - Salt Lake Tribune

McCain accepting the endorsement (and hugging) of John Hagee, the pastor who has called the Catholic Church "The Great Whore," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false Cult system." McCain even went so far as to say that Hagee "supports what I stand for and what I believe in."

Meanwhile Obama's booted the pastor off his campaign:

Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com

So, what's the issue again?

pramjockey · #25 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Yet one of their members wants to be the leader of this great nation but hold a higher allegiance to another country.

What country is that?

Lost Soul · #26 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

What country is that?

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We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent,

Would you be a member of a church that would put this on its front page of their site if you didnt believe in their message?

It clearly reads, Africa not America......whole different nation just in case you didnt understand.

Imperator · #27 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

McCain accepts a controversial endorsement - Salt Lake Tribune

McCain accepting the endorsement (and hugging) of John Hagee, the pastor who has called the Catholic Church "The Great Whore," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false Cult system." McCain even went so far as to say that Hagee "supports what I stand for and what I believe in."

Meanwhile Obama's booted the pastor off his campaign:

Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com

So, what's the issue again?

I'd say thats good point- as referenced by USA today, Balt Sun, ABC, Los Angeles Tiems and TIME mag.and several network media outlets...plus democrat .org the main democratic party page ( I just checked).....the RNC page? not a word on Obama...

get the picture?

Rakkasan · #28 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

McCain accepts a controversial endorsement - Salt Lake Tribune

McCain accepting the endorsement (and hugging) of John Hagee, the pastor who has called the Catholic Church "The Great Whore," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false Cult system." McCain even went so far as to say that Hagee "supports what I stand for and what I believe in."

Meanwhile Obama's booted the pastor off his campaign:

Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com

So, what's the issue again?

this is the most comedic comment coming out of this whole thing. a passel of rabid dems blaming the RNC for Obama being associated with a nut job

and it is YOUR people who are bringing this up and running around showing it all over the media and freaking out....its dems like you pram who are losing it and carrying on about this.....Hillary and CO are splitting the party not the republicans

and from the outside looking in as a independant as i am , it is pretty fucking funny watching it

Rakkasan · #29 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

I'd say thats good point- as referenced by USA today, Balt Sun, ABC, Los Angeles Tiems and TIME mag.and several network media outlets...plus democrat .org the main democratic party page ( I just checked).....the RNC page? not a word on Obama...

get the picture?

no he doesnt nor does the talking heads on the left , instead of looking at the issue and looking at themselves (their party) its political smear season and blaming the other side for what they are doing themselves somehow seems to be the level that they can get out of their critical reasoning skills

its fucking stupid....hillary is pushing this issue not any conservatives and to make matters worse. Conservative talking heads showed this shit last march ......its old news...but the dem ran media just now picked up on it

comedic truly fucking comedic....now they run this at the end when their party is totally fucking split they run this....wow what morons

Oreo · #30 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

I strongly disagree with some on this board--that state:

That the personal/policial opinions of a church one belongs too, or a pastor that one is close too, is not a direct reflection on what the parisioner believes also.

Of the Christian churches I have attended, including ones with large congregations.

If any pastor got up behind the pulpit & said- G-damm America. I know that the entire congregation would have walked out.

Why? Because the churches "we choose" to attend, are a direct reflection of what we believe.

I am extremely disappointed, because I believed Obama was the one that could unite this country.

However, his 20 year membership into this radical separist church. One that preaches hate toward others, including his country is deplorable. Not only did he attend this church for 20 years, he also helped to support it.

Therefore, my conclusion is: Obama believes & supports the comments of Pastor Wright.

Now, I just wish I could get my $200.00 donation back from the Obama campaign.