Look at the math Alex. Hillary has to win by 35 points in every single upcoming primary, a few of which are in the south, in order to overtake Obama in the pledged delegate vote. He is ahead by 700,000 in the Democratic primary vote. The Wright controversy won't fade entirely but his base is very large and they were just reenergized. At the worst he'll lose the remaining contests by 5-10 points. And he will STILL be ahead of Hillary.

The only way she can win is if the super delegates ignore the popular vote. I think the Democrats are more screwed in November if that happens. At least with Obama we know what the attack will be and there will be a way to get around it. Hillary would be fighting a two front war, one against the Republicans who hate her, the other against disollusioned Democrats.

I will also add that Obama only needs independents and moderates AGAINST Clinton, he will win the Democratic states and the south, which is super black, are up for grabs. In 2004, the electoin in Mississippi was actually very close. Could go blue. Missouri and Virginia as well. Floridians and Michiganians will get over it.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Obviously you are. A real right-wing nutjob retorts to personal attack when he/she can't refute the argument.

I present to you: mudwhistle, aka Exhbit A of a nutjob.

You could be right. I lived through eight long years of Hillary and Bill Clinton's dirty tricks, so you'll have to forgive me if I envision a smoke filled back room deal with the Super delegates that hands the nomination to Hillary. Either way, I don't think either of the two Democrats can beat McCain come Nov.

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

I get it. You hate Obama. No amount of facts or logic is going to interfere with your hatred.

I get it that if Obama wears a blue tie instead of a red tie, you'll use it as an excuse to not vote for him. But when you say things that have no basis in facts, it just makes you seem Like someone who made an uninformed decision.

Just say you despise Obama and you hope he loses. That's all you gotta say.

So, you think that his attendance at a racist church for twenty years, his association with mobster Tony Rezko, his friendship with pentagon bomber William Ayers, all of these things are inconsequential?? Invest in a mirror pal, I think you love Obama. He could rape a kitten on TV and you'd still vote for him.

I don't hate Obama. He doesn't inspire me that much. Hate requires too much effort, he is simply not worth hating. He is just another liberal democrat that will say and do anything to get elected.

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

Umm Alex,

I asked you a question, if you would prefer not to answer, just say so. I'll understand.

I don't need to answer the question- he lied about it. He knew that Rev. Wright was an America hating racist and pretended he was 'shocked, shocked' when he found out about it. Any way you slice it, that is a lie. He was not shocked. He knew it all along. Obama wrote about in his first book "Dreams from my Father" published in 1995. … Obama is trying to tell us that the hateful rhetoric his reverend is deploying now isn’t what he heard during his two decades in that reverend’s congregation. Yet it’s clear from this memoir that the Reverend Wright was saying the same things then as he’s saying now. Obama’s only trying to distance himself from Wright now because Wright has become politically inconvenient.....So, If you want to pretend that he never knew, then you can. Like I've said countless times, I don't think Obama shares all of the Reverends opinions, but he has show seriously bad judgment by his twenty year association. This is fair game in an election.

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

No he isn't, this is what he said.
So where is the lying? It seems you are saying that the "occasionally" is a lie. But can you actually say you know how many of the pastors sermons were hateful vs. the ones that weren't? As has been mentioned if you take only a sampling of LOTS of peoples words, you can find some very controversial and even aggresively hateful sounding things. You keep talking about "twenty years" as if you have twnety years of knowledge when you only have the knowledge of a few clips. You just THINK you know more because the clips have been aired over and over.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Your qoutes are from his speech, made a few days after he was busted. His first statement from the Puffington host he said this :

.Carefully crafted sentences by a Harvard lawyer. this is a classic political dodge - eerily reminiscent of Bill Clinton. "I wasn't in the pews" means he was standing. He knew!!!! He said he didn't. That is a lie. Here is Bubba with Wright

But seriously, either way, it doesn't really matter. Obama knew that Rev Wright was an America hating racist, yet he still attended and supported the church for over twenty years and still named Wright as his "spiritual adviser" for the campaign. He has cited Rev Wright as the inspiration for both of his books...and on and on and on.....
The nicest thing I can say about Obama is that is he demonstrated some seriously BAD JUDGMENT and now he's going to lose plenty of moderate and independent voters because of it.

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

He is going to lose some moderates, no questoin. But you forget that a MINORITY of Americans usually vote in Presidential electoins. Somehow, this time I don't think that will be the case. We just have no clue how people are going to vote and remember it is March. All Obama has to do is look in the camera at August and say "Why are you voting? Do you agree with my policies or are you voting because of my preacher" that will work.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Alex,

I don't recall saying that you "need to" do anything. I asked you a question, that is to provide evidence that Sen Obama lied. Evidence would be the exact words he said that were lies. You know, quotes? His words, not your interpretation of them. Not carfully parsed sections of something he said, edited to fit your slant. Not out of context bits and pieces.

Anything less amounts to little more than character assasination, at best.

You can keep drinking the Obama Kool Aid if you want..I hope it is cold and delicious!!

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

If only that were true. If people actually voted based upon a candidates actual positions, we'd have far fewer Democrats.

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I think at this point there needs to be a focus on an immediate increase in spending and I think this is a time when deficit fear has to take a second seat . . . I believe later on there should be tax increases. Speaking personally, I think there are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax at a point down the road and recover some of the money."
-- Barney Frank, October 20, 2008

the comment was not intended to be anything other than a flip, "what can I say"? I canot for life of me see any offense here.

I have disrespected you? Uhm okay.

and as far as a level playing field, I don’t get that insinuation, how has the field been unleveled? I have no idea what that statement means...lets just move on then.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

I guess if that's all you have in lieu of evidence of Sen Obama lying, we've reached the end of that road.

BTW sir, I don't care for Kool-Aid, either real world or in politics. I much prefer a Guiness or a good red wine.