Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor - Page 3 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

mudwhistle · #31 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

If Obama says he never heard what Rev. Wright said I can assume that many of the flock he sits with every week had heard it and agreed with it.

Many of the same flock that were running up and patting the Rev. on the back when he was doing his 'Kill Whitey' rant were in the parish.

They looked like they agreed with the Rev.

Some of them were jumping up and down relishing in the amazingly racist statements they were hearing.

Can Obama tell me that if he doesn't agree with these types of statements how come he felt so comfortable sitting with people who do week after week for the last 6 years?

I'm sure their thoughts about the subject came up in private conversations. I would feel extremely uncomfortable sitting with a bunch of racist hate-mongers.

I would feel uncomfortable sitting with people who can't accept people for what they are regardless of their skin color.

Obama claims innocence. He claims he never heard of such a thing being mentioned in his church before he started his Presidential run. He's ether really stupid, extremely gullible, or he was asleep every moment he was at church.

Or he's as big a liar as Hillary is.

Donkey_Left · #32 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Would you be a member of a church that would put this on its front page of their site if you didnt believe in their message?

It clearly reads, Africa not America......whole different nation just in case you didnt understand.

Africa is neither a country nor a nation.

Frank · #33 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

I just saw the videos of Pastor Wright & his comments. I am extremely disappointed.

Prior to seeing these videos of Pastor Wright's rantings & ravings: I finally believed we had a black man running for President, that was capable of uniting all of this country.

After watching these videos, it is impossible for me to believe Barack Obama's statement: That he didn't know that his pastor of 20 years, made these kind of radical, hateful statements toward the United States--& that he just became of aware of them, via the news media.

This goes beyond the pastor; look at the "Black Value System" of Barack's church not to mention the "about us" section on the church's website. This church openly teaches its congregation that ONLY black leadership is worthy of allegiance and that the black community is the focus of the church's dedication to society.

To make matters worse the church declares its loyalty not to America but to Africa! This church made no secret of its black nationalist stance and afrocentrism. Are we to believe that Obama knew nothing about all of this?

Regardless of what the pastor said why would a man of the people willingly align himself with an obvious racialist church? Are we to honestly believe that Obama knew nothing of the church mission statements or the doctrines of the TUCC? I do not think so folks...

Frank · #34 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

McCain accepts a controversial endorsement - Salt Lake Tribune

McCain accepting the endorsement (and hugging) of John Hagee, the pastor who has called the Catholic Church "The Great Whore," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false Cult system." McCain even went so far as to say that Hagee "supports what I stand for and what I believe in."

Meanwhile Obama's booted the pastor off his campaign:

Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com

So, what's the issue again?

I loathe McCain even more than I loathe Obama but the fact that McCain is a delusional nut does not negate Obama's willing affiliation with a racial nationalist church loyal to Africa first and foremost.

Second, where does your article say that the pastor was "booted off?" How do we know he did not resign of his own accord? Better yet what was this obvious black nationalist doing on one of Obama's campaign committees or whatever you call them anyway?

RFK1968 · #35 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

I loathe McCain even more than I loathe Obama but the fact that McCain is a delusional nut does not negate Obama's willing affiliation with a racial nationalist church loyal to Africa first and foremost....

I think PramJockey's point is that there shouldn't be a double-standard. If people are going to chastise Obama for his affiliations with religious figures, then they must chastise McCain for the same things. If Obama's affiliation with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes Obama reprehensible by association, then McCain's association with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes McCain reprehensible by association.

The more reasonable solution, in my opinion, is that neither should be chastised for their religious associations unless they suggest that they will run this country as a theocracy.

But if you disagree with Obama's loyalty to his church, that's your business.

pramjockey · #36 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Would you be a member of a church that would put this on its front page of their site if you didnt believe in their message?

It clearly reads, Africa not America......whole different nation just in case you didnt understand.

So, once again, what country is that?

Basic geography: Africa is a continent. It's a remarkably large continent, made up of many different nations. It is remarkably diverse.

pramjockey · #37 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

this is the most comedic comment coming out of this whole thing. a passel of rabid dems blaming the RNC for Obama being associated with a nut job

and it is YOUR people who are bringing this up and running around showing it all over the media and freaking out....its dems like you pram who are losing it and carrying on about this.....Hillary and CO are splitting the party not the republicans

and from the outside looking in as a independant as i am , it is pretty fucking funny watching it

1) Where is the RNC being blamed for Obama's relationship with the pastor?

2) My people? Which are those? I'm still not a Democrat. I've been an independent for more than 15 years.

pramjockey · #38 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

I think PramJockey's point is that there shouldn't be a double-standard. If people are going to chastise Obama for his affiliations with religious figures, then they must chastise McCain for the same things. If Obama's affiliation with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes Obama reprehensible by association, then McCain's association with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes McCain reprehensible by association.

The more reasonable solution, in my opinion, is that neither should be chastised for their religious associations unless they suggest that they will run this country as a theocracy.

But if you disagree with Obama's loyalty to his church, that's your business.

Ding!

Two cookies for RFK.

Alex · #39 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

ahh, such liberal tolerance from Obama's "spiritual advisor".....

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And God Said to Moses: I Hate Those Honkey-Ass Crackers
A Sermon by Jeremiah Wright

EDITOR'S NOTE: This sermon has been edited for language. This is a political blog, not some church Democrats go to.

When Moses finally escaped the Egyptians, he turned to God and asked, "There could surely be no one as bad at those people?" God said to Moses, "Yes there are. Beware the honkeys. Beware the crackers. Especially beware the Jews. I hate all those people. Frankly, if you blow up their buildings, that's okay with me."
"That's right: NASA is going to send the black man to Venus where it is inhospitable to life and we will all die."

That wisdom speaks even more to us today as we are beset by honkeys. America is a country founded by crackers and run by Jews that exists for no other reason than to kill black people. They invented AIDS to kill us. They made crack to drug us. They use hidden ninjas to stage black on black violence. Hillary does not understand this. In fact, she's busy in her hollowed out volcano working on AIDS version two. That's why they are scared of a black man being president, because he will cut the millions of dollars that go to black genocide and instead invest that money where God says it should be: In killing honkey!

Yes, they will stop at nothing to keep the black man out of power and from his rightful job of cracker-cide. That's why they spread the rumors about Obama. They say he's inexperienced and he'll be a disaster. That's not an argument against him, because America deserves a disaster! So they try to say he's secretly a Muslim. Again, that's not an argument against him, because maybe he should be a Muslim. They're doing God's work: Blowing up the honkeys and the Jews. So only reason that all those crackers oppose Obama is that they know he's going to succeed at what he promises: Killing the honkeys!

Now some tell me that we shouldn't be for killing the honkeys. We should just turn the other cheek. Who says this? That cracker Jesus! Well, answer me this: Has Jesus ever been called a [n-word]? Did anyone invent AIDS to kill Jesus? Well, maybe Jesus should not be lecturing the black man on what he should and should not be doing. As we speak, the government is working on plans to send all black people to Venus! That's right: NASA is going to send us to Venus where it is inhospitable to life and we will all die. So what does Jesus have to say about that? Nothing! God bless Jesus? No. God [expletive] Jesus! To hell with him! Throw his cracker ass out of here!

Remember the story of Samson. When the Jews tricked him out of his strength, they chained him up so all the crackers could come and laugh at him. So, he turned to God with one last prayer and screamed, "I hate the honkeys!" which granted him a final burst of strength to kill them all. Though the crackers may now be keeping us down, we can have one final prayer to kill them all. That prayer is Obama... though his campaign would like me to remind you that I in know way speak for him. Amen.

Jeremiah Wright was until recently the Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, and has been the spiritual adviser of the Obamas for twenty years (though he would like to distance himself from some of the anti-American statements of Michelle Obama). Now retired, he hopes to finally read that Bible he's been hearing so much about. He hates the honkeys.

chassisman · #40 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Lil

One of the most intelligent posts I've read in a while. Sad really, I have to wonder where all the "alarmists" were when Bush's lies sent people to kill and be killed in Iraq.

I thought Obama explained it in a way most of us can understand, if we chose to...an elderly black (ex-marine) preacher whose lifetime of prejudices found a way into his rhetoric. Looks to me like the latest paranoia craze.

BTW, I like your moniker. I heard him speak when I was seventeen, and have that same feeling with Obama.

No argument or talking points of substance triggers a default switch of topic to Bush. next..........

chassisman · #41 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

I also watched this and was struck by the same thought, it is clear he is not a sharp man, nor a man who can think well under pressure. It was as if the man we see making inspirational speeches and the man in the interview last night was two separate people.

...I guess now we know why he has given no interviews up until now...that is interviews not done by his network and CNN fan club.

After I watched it the term tounge-tied came to mind. His eyes were rolling and shifting from side to side as he struggled to compose a sentence that would free him of sharing in the reverend's racism , yet not burn any bridges with his "church of the mother land". This is not a man who is ready to lead a nation.

hairballxavier · #42 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

To dispell rumors that he was a Muslim, Obama said he was a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ for 15 years.

Here is a link to their web page.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

This church has a decidedly anti-American and racist bent.

So as a member of this church for 15 years. Obama has a "non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA"! The problem with that is that Africa is a foreign land. His commitment should be to the USA.

It's leader claimed that the U.S. government invented HIV to commit genocide against Africans. He says God damn America, and says the 911 attacks were payback for racist U.S. foreign policy.

This is the guy who Obama calls his "spiritual mentor"!

To me this church just sounds like the Xtian counterpart to Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. They preach the same hate.

And now Obama says he's been a member for 20 years when less that a year ago he said he was a member for 15 years. Which is it... 15 or 20? Why the contradiction?

iamwhatiseem · #43 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

His goose is cooked....so this changes (no pun intended...but I wish there was!) everything...Hillary and McCain...hmm

mudwhistle · #44 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Africa is neither a country nor a nation.

The good Rev. doesn't know that.

He thinks Jews tricked Samson into giving away the secret of his strength.

Obama's pastor needs to open an Atlas as well as a Bible and read it.

Imperator · #45 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

I think PramJockey's point is that there shouldn't be a double-standard. If people are going to chastise Obama for his affiliations with religious figures, then they must chastise McCain for the same things. If Obama's affiliation with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes Obama reprehensible by association, then McCain's association with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes McCain reprehensible by association.

The more reasonable solution, in my opinion, is that neither should be chastised for their religious associations unless they suggest that they will run this country as a theocracy.

But if you disagree with Obama's loyalty to his church, that's your business.

I agree and said so....so let the games begin....but they won't, the media is silent and it appears the double standard is being employed.

I am reminded of the scene in Lawrence of Arabia, where in Lawrence leads the arabs to take and sack Aqaba from the turks, but there is no gold as Lawrence had promised tayi if he joined him.......sherif Tayi played by anthony quinn upon discovering such tells sherif Ali ( omar shariff) his sppter. and true believer;

“he said there was gold here, there is no gold, he is not perfect”...

Obama is just another politician.