In all seriousness...it is quite possible we may have elected a man whose first allegiance would not be to America....that seems extreme I know, but as the saying goes "birds of a feather flock together".....if Barack manages to get the primary...McCain is without a doubt the next President. This situation may not be soon enough to knock him out (although polls taken today show that he has lost 8 points)...but it will be a be deal in the general election.

Granted, some technical errors exist in the posts to which you guys reponded. But, I have now doubt that you are aware that the point is, preaching loyalty to another continent (that does not have the USA in it) is pretty shocking to a lot of Americans.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Many African nationalists would disagree.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

There is a major difference, between a radical backing a candidate, & the candidate actually being a 20 year member of the radical organization.

I had no problems with Obama denouncing Luis Faragon, even though Faragon supported Obama.

I have a real problem with Pastor Wright, someone who was & has been in very close contact with Barack Obama over the last 20 years.

For Obama, this is going to get much worse than 8 points. Obama's 20 year membership in this church is not going to go away any time soon.

We can bet that Hillary Clinton, is very happy right now. For all the things she tried to tag him on, this one is defintely going to stick. She doesn't even need to use campaign money, the media is doing it all for her.

I imagine that the super delegates are re-thinking their strategies right now. The democrats, above all, want to win the White House this year.

I doubt, they are going to back Barack Obama after this.

Agreed--I watched Obama try to explain this away. He looked very pale, wide eyed & extremely nervous. His skills at being a great orator, just evaporated under the scrutiny of questions about Pastor Wright.

You're right, this is not a man that is ready to lead this nation.

I really hope I never end up subscribing to this kind of warped ideology. People claim that they want to uphold the Constitution...then disregard the blatant references to a separation of church of state (whether it be from letters by Thomas Jefferson, or by the 1st Amendment). People claim the sins of the father should not be visited upon the son...then feel politicians should be chastised for affiliations that are, inevitably, weaker than the bonds of father and son. People claim that religious affiliations should play a big part in deciding whether or not to vote for a candidate...but believe the government should play no part in the decisions of the church.

The only major difference between the McCain and Obama situations is the one that the religious zealot chooses to make distinct. It is the religious zealot who claims to decide the degree to which an individual's associations should be scrutinized. Intelligent people understand that individuals should be judged based on their own merit, on their own words, and on their own actions. When we start viewing our candidates through the lense of religious ideology, we won't be the same country.

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Yes. Actions like choosing to become a member of an anti-American organization and remain a member for 15 years.

Oh, but now he says it was 20 years. Who knows. I don't even know for sure that Obama was born in the USA.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

to be perfectly honest, if this is your attitude you won't even hear him if he ever DOES say something you agree with.

I guess I grew up learning to listen to priests differently from you do - to me - as I aid above - talking about 911 would have been as much about the individual looking into their own heart and looking at their relationships with their neighbours .... and even if it was looking at the nation - I don't understand why thats hateful towards your country.

Those who recommend self examination are not uusually coming from a position of hatred.

Obama pastor does not see Africa as a bunch of smaller nations and states but as a whole much the same as Russia saw the USSR.

Sorry I didnt state this earlier, I thought you Obamabots would understand where your boy and his spiritual advisor were coming from. Africa to them is the motherland where there is no nations, only a land where Africans are seen as one and the same all from the same existent. Not counting South Africa where there are plenty of white people. Before Africa is whole again, the white people must be eradicated from it shores.

So Obama must be just as racist as his spiritual leader.

This is now why I go to a mixed church when I go. I got tried of hearing how bad the white man is, how the white man has his foot on the necks of black people, how black people cont to be held back by the white man. If you hear the same shit over and over you start to believe it. The majority of the black churches I have attended preach the same crap. Then blame the white man as being the only racists. Black people are and can be just or more so as racist as any white person I have known.

What's anti-American about the organization? I've heard Reverand Wright's sermons. He may, once in a while, say something anti-American, but that doesn't make the church itself anti-American.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
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This is really the funny part. I have spoken with African blacks that have immigrated here recently
and they are appalled at the lifestyles and behavior of African Americans.

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In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. ~Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Do you really want to go there? African people are no different than others outside of the U.S. the only information they receive about African Americans is controlled almost entirely by popular culture and what kinds of things the U.S. government broadcasts overseas. I don't think I need to explain what you've observed any further.

Also, TOPIC? Why is any of this relevant to who would be a better President for the United States? This is the whole point of the Obama campaign. Americans are looking at an economic recession and 8 years of failed policy. Why? Because the Bush admin was able to win power on petty and stupid things like Swift Boats, "fear politics" and religious division. When will this country learn its lesson? I have no problem if Clinton wins the nomination, but if she wins it because of this kind of stuff than Karl Rove and co. have really won and Americans will have no one to blame but themselves when the mistakes of the Bush-Clinton years are perpetuated.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

I listened to him, before all of this racial mess started and I didn't like what he had to say back then. He hasn't changed his sermons. He's still saying pretty much the same thing.

Obama just preaches a cleaner toned down version of Rev. Wright's sermons. I could tell Obama hated America. I've been trying to explain this to anyone who would listen to me on this site for quite a while. Nobody really loves this country when every time you open your mouth you start talking about the bad in the country. I've heard him. Some of his statements sound like they come right out of Rev. Wright's sermons. Some of his statements sound like they were inspired by Rev. Wright.
You could say I'm an exact polar opposite to Obama. He sees what's wrong with America where I see what's right about it and I hope it can become better. But as long as we keep electing officials like the ones the Democrats keep pushing on us we'll never get any better. They always seem to have character flaws that never come out because the media glosses their flaws over.

Too many of their supporters think that the exposure is unfair and is all politically motivated thus totally false. They feel that it can't all be true. So they defend him and want to forget about what has been discovered. So the result is a flawed candidate that eventually ends up torpedoing Democrats chances of taking back the White House. Every candidate regardless of party should be vetted and if this kind of thing shows up the public needs to know before he becomes a problem once he gets in office. We don't need a President that has a chip on his shoulder. We need a President that has all Americans best interests in mind not just a favored few.

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