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mudwhistle · #76 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

I disagree--this is a disaster. And I am speaking as a former supporter & doner to the Obama campaign

We all have freedom of choice to the church we belong too. I have attended several in my life-time. In no instance would a pastor get away with the hate & distain for America that I have witnessed in these videos from the churches I have attended. If any pastor would have stood behind the pulpit & stated G-Damm America, the entire congregation would have walked out.

Presently, Obama's stated defense is he didn't know about these statements. It's obvious from the tapes that his pastor wouldn't be able to keep his racist, America hating comments to himself for 20 minutes, let alone 20 years. Obama admits that he knew of some? Yet, he still attended & was a member of this church. On Obamas part, this is unbelievable ignorance, & exhibits extremely poor judgement.

The only way I see Obama saving himself, is to denounce his entire church, denounce the radicals within the black party, including Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, & many others whom are racist. Then appologize to the entire nation, with a very detailed explanation as to why he was a member of this church in the first place.

Too just say he didn't know that the church organization he has belonged to for the last 20 years was so anti-America & racist is completely unbelievable.

Obama had 20 years to denounce the teachings of Rev. Wright and chose not to.

mudwhistle · #77 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

So you truly believe that Obama is a racist? Despite the fact that anyone who has ever known him would say otherwise? Despite the fact that a vast majority of his Congressional support would say otherwise? Despite the fact that even his strongest opponents would say otherwise?

This strikes me as more of a situation of people, such as yourself (and don't take that the wrong way, I certainly have the utmost respect for you personally), fearing that their most ardent efforts to defame Obama are constantly falling short. Look, eventually something legitimate will come out that will be devastating for Obama. Hopefully, for your sake, it will happen before he has the opportunity to get elected. But the idiotic comments of his pastor, the 20-year-old comments of his wife, the unethical acts of someone that raised money for him (and the sitting President, mind you), his dress in an African country, etc. just aren't going to cut it. I can't blame you for trying.

I'm taking your statement for what it implies.

'ANYONE WHO USES THIS TO CRITICIZE OBAMA IS A RACIST'

The indictment in this case is so convincing that you have to start accusing anyone who believes it of racism. It is the easiest defense to the indefensible.

That is the only way I can take your statement.

I think that once it is revealed, like this has, regardless of the color of your skin, this type of racism has no place in the White House.

Personally it has no place in politics ether.

As a matter of fact anyone who feels like this needs to be shunned by everyone.

They need to learn that this type of thinking is not A-OK.

It is racism of the worst sort.

It is exactly what I feared when I heard Michelle Obama letting her feelings slip in her statements.

This type of thinking will tear this country apart, not bring it together.

pramjockey · #78 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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McCain accepts a controversial endorsement - Salt Lake Tribune

McCain accepting the endorsement (and hugging) of John Hagee, the pastor who has called the Catholic Church "The Great Whore," an "apostate church," the "anti-Christ," and a "false Cult system." McCain even went so far as to say that Hagee "supports what I stand for and what I believe in."

Meanwhile Obama's booted the pastor off his campaign:

Controversial minister off Obama's campaign - CNN.com

So, what's the issue again?

Fascinating. So much vitriol towards Obama, yet the same individuals don't want to say anything about McCain's pandering to religious bigots on the right.

How about Rod Parsley? Taking a guy as a "spiritual advisor" who calls on Christians to wage a war against the "false religion" of Islam, and to ultimately destroy the religion is somehow pro-American and positive?

McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam

WTF, hypocrites?

Oreo · #79 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I'm taking your statement for what it implies.

'ANYONE WHO USES THIS TO CRITICIZE OBAMA IS A RACIST'

The indictment in this case is so convincing that you have to start accusing anyone who believes it of racism. It is the easiest defense to the indefensible.

That is the only way I can take your statement.

I think that once it is revealed, like this has, regardless of the color of your skin, this type of racism has no place in the White House.

Personally it has no place in politics ether.

As a matter of fact anyone who feels like this needs to be shunned by everyone.

They need to learn that this type of thinking is not A-OK.

It is racism of the worst sort.

It is exactly what I feared when I heard Michelle Obama letting her feelings slip in her statements.

This type of thinking will tear this country apart, not bring it together.

This is not the fault of Pastor Wright. This lays right at the feet of Barack Obama.

Being a now former, white supporter & one who also donated to Barack Obamas campaign, I have every right to be critical. No one can call me a racist.

In no way would I have ever joined a church that was racist, biased toward others, or hateful toward my country. But, Barack Obama did.

I was 100% behind Barack Obama, until I heard his pastor of 20 years speak. Making deplorable, racist & hate filled comments about white people & this country.

pramjockey · #80 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

Such hypocrisy.

Oreo · #81 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Fascinating. So much vitriol towards Obama, yet the same individuals don't want to say anything about McCain's pandering to religious bigots on the right.

How about Rod Parsley? Taking a guy as a "spiritual advisor" who calls on Christians to wage a war against the "false religion" of Islam, and to ultimately destroy the religion is somehow pro-American and positive?

McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam

WTF, hypocrites?

There is a major difference between a radical backing a candidate, & the candidate being a 20 year member of a radical-racist organization.

pramjockey · #82 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Oreo

There is a major difference between a radical backing a candidate, & the candidate being a 20 year member of a radical-racist organization.

Woo! I can use bold, too!

Do you not understand that McCain ACTIVELY sought out these men for their endorsements? He refuses to denounce the bigotry, instead seeking out more religious bigots to support his campaign.

Oreo · #83 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Woo! I can use bold, too!

Do you not understand that McCain ACTIVELY sought out these men for their endorsements? He refuses to denounce the bigotry, instead seeking out more religious bigots to support his campaign.

You know you can keeping spouting off this nonsense until hell freezes over. No one is going to buy into it. Because it is nonsense.

I was O.K. with Obamas rejection over Luis Faragon. I am not O.K. with his 20 year Pastor Wright.

pramjockey · #84 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

What nonsense? Your hypocrisy is nauseating.

Denial will not save you from the truth.

Frank · #85 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Also, TOPIC? Why is any of this relevant to who would be a better President for the United States? This is the whole point of the Obama campaign.

I fail to see how a junior senator with approximately three years of senate experience is qualified to be president.

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Americans are looking at an economic recession and 8 years of failed policy. Why? Because the Bush admin was able to win power on petty and stupid things like Swift Boats, "fear politics" and religious division. When will this country learn its lesson?

The fact that legions of WHITE Americans are willing to put their lives into the hands of a man associated with a rabidly racialist black nationalist church is what frightens me; I never knew that so many of my American Euro-kin were THIS suicidal.

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I have no problem if Clinton wins the nomination, but if she wins it because of this kind of stuff than Karl Rove and co. have really won and Americans will have no one to blame but themselves when the mistakes of the Bush-Clinton years are perpetuated.

You know as well as I do if Obama was a WHITE candidate who belonged to a Christian Identity church and had only three years of senate experience but promoted the same views that he would have lost the nomination ages ago...

Frank · #86 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

I think PramJockey's point is that there shouldn't be a double-standard.

The double-standard already exists! Do you not remember how Ron Paul was demonised for accepting a donation from Stormfronter Don Black? How about the fact that old Ron Paul newsletters contained "racist" content that he disavowed; he was still demonised for that!

However, Barack received a free pass for his affiliation with a church that is clearly a racial nationalist church...

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If people are going to chastise Obama for his affiliations with religious figures, then they must chastise McCain for the same things. If Obama's affiliation with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes Obama reprehensible by association, then McCain's association with a preacher (that makes reprehensible comments) makes McCain reprehensible by association.

If McCain belonged to a pro-White "Christian Identity" church you would not make an issue out of that? A question for the Obama supporters! Do you Obama-worshipers even grasp that this is not merely about the pastors comments but Obama choosing to affiliate of his own free will with a racialist church? Do you Obama-groupies grasp this concept?

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The more reasonable solution, in my opinion, is that neither should be chastised for their religious associations unless they suggest that they will run this country as a theocracy.

But if you disagree with Obama's loyalty to his church, that's your business.

If a WHITE candidate ever runs for office and belongs to the "Nazi Church of Gas Chambers" I will remember that he should not judged by his religious affiliations; sound good to you?

wooyarn · #87 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

The double-standard already exists! Do you not remember how Ron Paul was demonised for accepting a donation from Stormfronter Don Black? How about the fact that old Ron Paul newsletters contained "racist" content that he disavowed; he was still demonised for that!

However, Barack received a free pass for his affiliation with a church that is clearly a racial nationalist church...

If McCain belonged to a pro-White "Christian Identity" church you would not make an issue out of that? A question for the Obama supporters! Do you Obama-worshipers even grasp that this is not merely about the pastors comments but Obama choosing to affiliate of his own free will with a racialist church? Do you Obama-groupies grasp this concept?

If a WHITE candidate ever runs for office and belongs to the "Nazi Church of Gas Chambers" I will remember that he should not judged by his religious affiliations; sound good to you?

Then don't vote for him, simple as that. But to keep beating this drum is not going to convince anyone to change their mind one way or another.

Lil · #88 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

My goodness Frank, we have a President who freely admitted that he took his advice from a higher power. He admitted he made his decisions on what Jesus would do. Did you read the article I posted written by a Jew? Read it.

I don't get what your so afraid of. I've never heard Barack Obama say anything like his preacher said. What is it? Do you think he's going to hand over the country to the Black Panthers? What has he done to warrant this kind of hatred?

Rakkasan · #89 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

1) Where is the RNC being blamed for Obama's relationship with the pastor?

2) My people? Which are those? I'm still not a Democrat. I've been an independent for more than 15 years.

general concensus that i heard on Your radio network air america.....was pretty much saying it had to be a republican. and in general with your wack a mole approach to this to ignore obama and go after mccain still shows intent to deflect towards another party. and not even address that what mccains dude said still doesnt come close to the shit spewed by the racist who is his "uncle"

to your number two bullet comment.......

you attack a republican instead of fessing up to the fact that this obama shit is bad in fact you didnt even address the topic of this thread you just posted another link to a mccain bash .........but ya you are not a liberal (eventhough you claim to be a liberal non wussy in your title) ya you dont root for the democrats you are an independant, ya those are not your peeps

and as you type up your arrogant and condescending reply....food for thought i am 95% sure i am going to vote for Obama if he is the dems choice...I dont like mccain....type away ..........

mudwhistle · #90 (**permalink**) 03-16-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Fascinating. So much vitriol towards Obama, yet the same individuals don't want to say anything about McCain's pandering to religious bigots on the right.

How about Rod Parsley? Taking a guy as a "spiritual advisor" who calls on Christians to wage a war against the "false religion" of Islam, and to ultimately destroy the religion is somehow pro-American and positive?

McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam

WTF, hypocrites?

McCain can go fuck a goat as well.