We would need to put a mike on the guy 24/7 to catch him at it.

The Black Panthers are history. I don't know what you would call the people he's friends with. Let's just call them a bunch of bigots who want to kill white folks for fun.

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He's dropped 8 points since this came out. I think the longer it's out there the more people are going to be able to judge for themselves and realize that a guy that surrounds himself with racists is the last person we need in the Oval Office.

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My network?

I listen to XM 47 and 42. That's about all the broadcasting I can handle.

It's not a McCain bash; all 3 candidates nauseate me. What's worse, though, is the double-standard. It's perfectly fine for McCain to actively seek out religious loonies, but God forbid that Obama attended one's church.

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Staun mah grun, an be na afraid.
Thochts ae hame tak awa mah fear
Sweat an bluid hide mah veil o tears.

When one sleeps with dogs, they wake up with flees. It's the same thing as any person hanging out with a street gang. It's the "willing" association.

Obama made a free-will choice to go to this church. And what's worse, he hung around it for 20 years. He never made that break, until the news media caught on. Now it's rejection, rejection, denouncement, & I didn't know, etc.

The poor judgement of Barack Obama has come home to roost.

Actions speak louder than talk!

Let us a apply this to the current situation that has drawn a lot of confusion where Mr. Rev. Jeremiah Wright odd statements or Former president Bill Clinton sex scandals to be considered as a guilt! both Mr. Obama & Mrs. Clinton to be a counted for. If we are looking for fairness, we really need to answer these two questions correctly.

Question One:

Who is running for president?

The answer will be Mr. Obama & Mrs. Clinton. So conventional wisdom says we have to see who is Mr. Obama? and what he stands for as well as Mrs. Clinton.

Question Two:

Who is mostly likely have the most influence on you: Your Parents whom you grow up with or your Pastor at church whom you see once week?

Whatever, your answer will be will not guarantee the outcome of the two scenarios: if:

• You will carry your parents legacy and live up to their expectation for you, or

• Follow your pastor on his believes and promote his ideas and opinions

The reason why the outcome will be different in both scenarios, because there are attributes that also merge to define our identity and shades who are today. Some of those are inborn tarits such as wisdom and some we acquire such as character, which we develop and build based on education, values, habits, etc . upon which people should be judged. Also actions and choices people made in their life and what they have accomplished are mirrors that reflect who they are and what they stand for.

Now. To judge or relate Mr. Obama to his Pastor is absolutely nonsense and a complete denial to facts that we all know from our own experience is far from right. It is a rule of life you will be judged by your on merits and not someone else EVER.

Before making this forum more "muddy," give ear to one reasonable voice:

Finally, we can silence the hypocrites, and end the witch hunt.

Our nation as generous as it is, is also a very self-serving, manipulating nation. We don't do too much without an ulterior motive. Then we attempt to convince the masses that our motives are true and for the good of the people.

We NEED the Rev. Wrights, and men like this father to stand on the wall, and point out the injustices. It may not be HOW the people WANT to hear it...But it is the truth none the less. Before Senator Obama, the Rev. Wrights and your father were some of the only voices we have had in the wilderness, decrying injustices inflicted on those who've lost their voice or the vision to see where we really are.

I do believe, that Senator Obama is handling this correctly, and this will finally rub off an old scab that has been irritating our nation for years. It's been picked at enough. Now is time for open dialogue and healing. I firmly believe Senator Obama is the man to carry that message of reconcilliation and bridge building.

I am no Obamabot - to be perfectly honest I'm not too sure that he would be my preferred canditate.

I just take an outsider's POV.

So you don't like Blacks whining about racism in the US? so what are YOU doing to make sure that blacks are not disadvantaged?

I've seen enough of US history to know that even today the scars of institutionalised racism continue to disadvantage black US citizens.

I've also seen enough about the US to know that what the Rev may well be criticising is reasonable.

I often ask myself how the richest country in the world has a lower life expectancy than other western nations, how it has a higher infant mortality rate, how come, despite the best quality hospitals and top medical researchers, so many US citizens can't afford decent health care, why your average educational standards are below those of other OECD nations, how it has the highest per capita rate of imprisonment in the world, how come it is second only to China in terms in the number of executions, how the justice system appears to make so many mistakes, (I've seen/heard two programmes in the last couple of says where survivors of your justice system's injustice were sentenced to long perids of solitary confinement, and then found innocent,or sentenced to death, and then found innocent), how 8 people under 18 get killed by guns every day in the US (ie in a year thats more than the total number killed on 911), and people just gloss over this as if its not an issue, how come the richest nation has the greatest income differential of any OECD nation (something the rest of us associate with the third world) .... and thats BEFORE we start looking at your relationships with other nations ...

Seems to me if the Rev was saying God Damn America twasn't a bad thing - because it might make people sit up and take notice and ask what the fuck is wrong with "the greatest nation on earth."

If I told my children they had to learn to take responsibility for their actions, that they should learn to share, and that I would punish them if they didn't improve their manners ... do you thank that would be a sign that I hate them?

seems to me as if you made up your mind about many things - and are unable to consider any criticism of your country - as if you feel that criticism = hate.

Ask yourself, Muddy, did the evangelical support derail Bush's campaign and prevent him from being elected twice?

Who cares what Baracks' preacher said? Who cares if Barack is Muslim? Anyone with a sense of awarness toward politics has grimaced and endured one of the most errant, deceitful, arrogant, cheap, smearful, ugly, hipocritical, and downright uninspiring campaigns in this countries troubled history. That of course belonging to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Barack is not perfect, no politician is, but he is so much more level-headed and intellignet than the two monsters that don't stand a chance against him.

You can't seem to recognize the difference between saying what is happening in the world today and using hate speech to gin up hatred between the races. Pointing out the acts of certain special interest groups against Christians is not the same thing as the racist hate speech Rev. Wright uses in almost every sermon.

Trinity United Church of Christ

I tuned in to his sight and caught a video feed from a sermon he gave in February of this year. I randomly picked it out of several they had available for direct video feed. The prevailing topic included African-Pride, African-Culture, Slavery (Slavery was mentioned several times), and Briar Rabbit.

Rev. Wright seems to be obsessed with African slavery as it was over 150 years ago and life for Africans in the late 1800s. He forgets that things have changed since then......that nobody alive today was a slave. Dredging up bad feelings that are long gone seems to be his specialty. I can't see anything good coming out of his sermons.

Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby
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Uncle Remus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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All of the people that are trying to use the age old tactic of projection by accusing McCain of doing the same thing are wrong because of one simple fact:

John McCain never attended services in the church of the Rev. they are using to attack him with. He merely accepted his endorsement. How can McCain know the type of sermons that he gives if he isn't a member or has never listened to his services? And even if he attended one service you have to attend one to find out the content of the services to be able to make a decision on whether or not you want to continue attending subsequent services or to become a member.

Obama has had 20 years to walk out and he chose not to. Now we find out that there is a reliable witness that claims Obama was in attendance during one of these despicable sermons which Obama claims he never attended.

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Still, one is left to wonder what is meant by being true to Africa.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

They're not despicable, they're angry. If you were black, you might be angry, too.

That said, non-blacks are left to wonder if it makes sense to support a candidate whose views may be steeped in anger and black nationalism.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

I agree. Despite all of the advances made, economic and political suppression of minorities continues to this day. Saying that "things are better now than they were before" is a far cry from saying that the problems of the issue have been solved.

Not to be argumentive, but as someone who has paid close attention to much of what Sen. Obama actually has said, and will not be duped into buying into the guilt by association nonsense, I would be very interested in seeing any reliable source to the words of Sen. Obama saying the he shares the angry sentiments of Wright. I have, and can again, if needed, source the words of Sen. Obama saying exactly the opposite. I put this not only as a challenge to you, Pogo, but more widely to all of those that are engaging is this not-so-covert smear campaign.

Thanks,

Johnny K