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Pogo · #**106** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Not to be argumentive, but as someone who has paid close attention to much of what Sen. Obama actually has said, and will not be duped into buying into the guilt by association nonsense, I would be very interested in seeing any reliable source to the words of Sen. Obama saying the he shares the angry sentiments of Wright. I have, and can again, if needed, source the words of Sen. Obama saying exactly the opposite. I put this not only as a challenge to you, Pogo, but more widely to all of those that are engaging is this not-so-covert smear campaign.

Seems to me that if a man goes to the same church for twenty years then it's reasonable to conclude that he's comfortable with what's being preached.

Johnny K · #**107** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Pogo

Seems to me that if a man goes to the same church for twenty years then it's reasonable to conclude that he's comfortable with what's being preached.

Pogo,

Seeing how as what I asked was not your opinion as to what you deem reasonable or not, but the actual words of what Sen. Obama has spoken or written that support those angry statements of Wright, I'm left to wonder if you choose not to answer or simply cannot? I will once again post the actual words of Sen. Obama stating precisely the opposite, should you desire. On the other hand, I'll welcome any you quote, from Sen. Obama that say he shares Wright's angry sentiments. I'm interested in the facts, not the opinions of those out to smear him.

Thanks,

Johnny K

Imperator · #**108** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

It's perfectly fine for McCain to actively seek out religious loonies, but God forbid that Obama attended one's church.

that’s so completely and utterly simplistic regards the topic I don't even know what to say.

Imperator · #**109** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Pogo,

Seeing how as what I asked was not your opinion as to what you deem reasonable or not, but the actual words of what Sen. Obama has spoken or written that support those angry statements of Wright, I'm left to wonder if you choose not to answer or simply cannot? I will once again post the actual words of Sen. Obama stating precisely the opposite, should you desire. On the other hand, I'll welcome any you quote, from Sen. Obama that say he shares Wright's angry sentiments. I'm interested in the facts, not the opinions of those out to smear him.

Thanks,

Johnny K

I see, so we are at defcon 'smear' now....okey doke, that didn't take long.

wooyarn · #**110** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Pogo,

Seeing how as what I asked was not your opinion as to what you deem reasonable or not, but the actual words of what Sen. Obama has spoken or written that support those angry statements of Wright, I'm left to wonder if you choose not to answer or simply cannot? I will once again post the actual words of Sen. Obama stating precisely the opposite, should you desire. On the other hand, I'll welcome any you quote, from Sen. Obama that say he shares Wright's angry sentiments. I'm interested in the facts, not the opinions of those out to smear him.

Thanks,

Johnny K

You are not likely to get an honest answer, just more hate and fear. 8 pages and it's just one person repeating what the other says. I'm not sure if they are afraid that a Dem. might be in the W.H. or most likely, they are afraid that half black man might be the next president. This thread has become beyond funny and is just about hate and fear.

Imperator · #**111** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by RFK1968

You'll have to clarify exactly what you mean by media double-standard. I'm not particularly worried about the media. Sometimes they seem to be one-sided in favor of Obama, somtimes they seem to be one-sided in favor of Clinton, sometimes they seem to be one-sided in favor of McCain. I don't really view the media as an agenda-setting-liberal-geyser. I view them as a private organization that wants to get ratings.

I'd be happy to give my opinion of the double-standard you're referring to, I'm just not exactly sure which one it is.

Think coverage. The MSM is mum. Taking a look at where things have gone on and whats been done by and to whom by the media, since Hart etc. and there’s dems in there to, you can come up with one answer only.

It is right? in most circumstances no, not every "story" is a story.

But that train has left the station. They have been an obama drawbridge going down for no one but him. If SNL had not shamed them , they would not even attempted to give a Hill a fair shake in the last month....and I am an inveterate Hill hater, I would much prefer Obama running than Hill, so lets be clear on that.

Up till now they have taken a side; dem, rep. indy, green blue whatever.....I am used to seeing it from my perpsective sure, and yes, I think the MSM leans left, but man, this is a whole new ballgame, and it didn't start with this issue either....

Pogo · #**112** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Pogo,

Seeing how as what I asked was not your opinion as to what you deem reasonable or not, but the actual words of what Sen. Obama has spoken or written that support those angry statements of Wright, I'm left to wonder if you choose not to answer or simply cannot? I will once again post the actual words of Sen. Obama stating precisely the opposite, should you desire. On the other hand, I'll welcome any you quote, from Sen. Obama that say he shares Wright's angry sentiments. I'm interested in the facts, not the opinions of those out to smear him.

Thanks,

Johnny K

Well, Johnny, having 4+ decades of experience with politicians, I've learned to pay more attention to what they do than to what they say, and what Obama did is go to that church with the angry pastor for 20 years. Capiche?

Imperator · #**113** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Fascinating. So much vitriol towards Obama, yet the same individuals don't want to say anything about McCain's pandering to religious bigots on the right.

How about Rod Parsley? Taking a guy as a "spiritual advisor" who calls on Christians to wage a war against the "false religion" of Islam, and to ultimately destroy the religion is somehow pro-American and positive?

McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam

WTF, hypocrites?

I have addressed this twice pram, okay? And I aint postin' the same post again, you can refer back if your interested.

In fact I urge you to start a thread on such...hagee, parsley et al.

Imperator · #**114** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by wooyarn

You are not likely to get an honest answer, just more hate and fear. 8 pages and it's just one person repeating what the other says. I'm not sure if they are afraid that a Dem. might be in the W.H. or most likely, they are afraid that half black man might be the next president. This thread has become beyond funny and is just about hate and fear.

from my perspective I am afraid of a guy who is untested, un-vetted, apparently lacks judgment in some key areas and who’s platforms I find noxious.

I don’t give a shit if its a hutu transvestite midget with a fake leg.
If they can run the country and I agree with their platforms and convince me that have clarity of judgment, its cool.

Alex · #**115** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

Interesting how the MSM is attempting to paint John McCain as some angry prick and gives Obama and everyone on his team a pass. I wonder if Obama hasn't got a mean, angry, racist streak in him? How could he not? He went to that church for 20 years and made that racist Pastor part of his team - and he went to bed every night with an angry bitter woman. That kind of anger has got to rub off on you after a while....

Imperator · #**116** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by daisym

I am no Obamabot - to be perfectly honest I'm not too sure that he would be my preferred canditate.

I just take an outsider's POV.

So you don't like Blacks whining about racism in the US? so what are YOU doing to make sure that blacks are not disadvantaged?

I've seen enough of US history to know that even today the scars of institutionalised racism continue to disadvantage black US citizens.

I've also seen enough about the US to know that what the Rev may well be criticising is reasonable.

I often ask myself how the richest country in the world has a lower life expectancy than other western nations, how it has a higher infant mortality rate, how come, despite the best quality hospitals and top medical researchers, so many US citizens can't afford decent health care, why your average educational standards are below those of other OECD nations, how it has the highest per capita rate of imprisonment in the world, how come it is second only to China in terms in the number of executions, how the justice system appears to make so many mistakes, (I've seen/heard two programmes in the last couple of says where survivors of your justice system's injustice were sentenced to long perids of solitary confinement, and then found innocent,or sentenced to death, and then found innocent), how 8 people under 18 get killed by guns every day in the US (ie in a year thats more than the total number killed on 911), and people just gloss over this as if its not an issue, how come the richest nation has the greatest income differential of any OECD nation (something the rest of us associate with the third world) .... and thats BEFORE we start looking at your relationships with other nations ...

Seems to me if the Rev was saying God Damn America twasn't a bad thing - because it might make people sit up and take notice and ask what the fuck is wrong with "the greatest nation on earth."

wow, really? You say you take an outsiders point of view than begin to make judgments based on what? Frankly, I think you may need to live here, before making sweeping statements like these.

And, I don't think you have the faintest idea what the black experience in this country is and how it got where it got.

as to the rest, par for the course and doesn't have much to do with the topic, and you think wright has a point and is "reasonable", imagine my surprise.

Johnny K · #**117** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

I see, so we are at defcon 'smear' now....okey doke, that didn't take long.

Given that neither you or any of your like-minded friends has yet to answer my question as to Sen Obama's words supporting the angry words of Wright, and I have indeed posted Sen Obama's words denouncing them, I am of the opinion that labeling this entire campaign of misinformation as a smear, is accurate. I do not require your endorsement nor even ask it, to speak my piece.

Johnny K.

Tim · #**118** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

If Obama doesn't stop this immediately, his campaign is over. He is toast.

Wright is Obama's pastor, mentor and father figure. His best selling book is dedicated to him. The man is clearly a paranoid fanatic, beyond even the most extreme far-left views of the most extreme leftist. It is madness.

There is no suggestion that Obama believes this, but this man is his mentor and his guide - and he is filled with a ferocious rage and hatred and bitterness that is truly frightening. The connections will be made. They are already being made.

Comparisons between McCain and any other candidate are utterly absurd.

These videos are absolutely disastrous. The more they are viewed, the worse it is for Obama.

They are stunning - blaming Americans for 9/11, for Pearl Harbor, for creating AIDS. Absolutely stunning stuff.

It is the end of Obama's campaign if he doesn't get a hold of the situation. Immediately.

Pogo · #**119** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Given that neither you or any of your like-minded friends has yet to answer my question as to Sen Obama's words supporting the angry words of Wright, and I have indeed posted Sen Obama's words denouncing them, I am of the opinion that labeling this entire campaign of misinformation as a smear, is accurate. I do not require your endorsement nor even ask it, to speak my piece.

Johnny K.

Actions speak louder than words, Johnny.

Johnny K · #**120** (**permalink**) 03-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Pogo

Actions speak louder than words, Johnny.

Indeed they do. Sen. Obama's action has been to denounce the angry words of Wright. What say you? Any progress on finding any words or actions of Sen. Obama supporting them, Pogo? Or is just the possibility of having heard them enough to meet the same level as endorsing them?

Johnny K