So I'm supposed to be impressed that once the cat's out of the bag he decides to distance himself from the man?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Actually sir, what does or doesn't impress you (or me), is irrelevant. Speak to the verifiable facts or not. One would "impress" me, the other, not so much.

Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. The fact is that Obama has not recsinded his membership in the UTCC. He is still a member and admits he has been member for either 15 or 20 years, depending on what day you ask him.

I have pointed out that Obama's "church", the UTCC, is spreading crude, defamatory anti-American propaganda. In particular, the accusation that the US military invented the HIV virus to commit genocide

According to this 1992 USIA report to congress, the US government has long ago identified the Soviet KGB as the source of the false reports spread throughout the globe that the US government invented the HIV virus to kill blacks. And the US government has been trying to dispell this vicious rumor for over 2 decades.

But the USIA's efforts to discredit this vile accusation have not been entirely succesful because organizations like the UTCC continue to perpetuate this anti-USA propaganda.

The bottom line is that Obama has been and continues to be an unrepentant member of a subversive organization that disseminates anti-USA propaganda invented by the KGB for the specific purposes of undermining the reputation of the USA and inciting black hatred towards the USA.

Obama is guilty of being a member of this organization.

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OPRAH WINFREY--You're the woman!!!

Maybe we can replace Barack Obama with Oprah Winfrey?

Why? Because she used to belong to this same church, & upon hearing the sermon's she left the church. This back in 1990, BECAUSE THE VIEWS OF THE CHURCH WERE TOO EXTREME.

I think Oprah has much better judgement than Barack Obama, & she wasn't even running for President of the United States!

Wait OK. Why does this mean he's not going to be a good president. Can anyone who's so in an uproar over this explain? No one seems to want to talk about Obama's plans for the economy, the exti strategy for Iraq or any of those things. Isnt this kind of silly nit picking exactly whats allowed the Bush administration to be victorious. Why can't people talk about the issues that effect Americans. The statements of Wright aren't causing the subprime mortgage crisis nor are they causing inflation, nor have they impacted our dependence on foreign oil. Do people forget that we're supposed to be voting in someone who has plans to address these issues and not a religious advisor? I really don't get it.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Well said!!!

But sadly, campaigns of smear have become the norm. "Bread and circuses" instead of substance.

I voiced my disgust with campaigns of smear when it was used in 2000 against Sen. McCain in the primaries. I cannot support him now, because of his stated policies. It his his words that guide me, not those that someone else has said and yet someone else has tried (falsely) to pin on him.

Johnny K

Those things are not the topic of this thread. Nobody in this thread is talking about growing tomatoes either. And for good reason. Tomatoes are not the topic. The topic of this particular thread is "Obama's Incredible Denial Concerning His Pastor". Not Obama's plans for the economy or "exit strategy".


There is nothing preventing you from starting a new thread about those things instead of trying to drag this thread off-topic.

All you need to do is click on the "new thread" button and type away. So you really have nothing to bitch about.

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Because the views of any church are a "direct" reflection of how a person thinks & what they believe. Otherwise, as Oprah Winfrey did, they just won't attend that church.

Pastor Wright is not some big-loud mouthed uncle or simply just a skeleton that jumped out of the closet one day.

As stated many times by Barack Obama--Pastor Wright was the inspiration of his book--"The audicity of Hope". Therefore, Pastor Wright is someone Barack Obama admires & respects, no matter what he says today.

As far as I am concerned: Barack Obamas next book should be titled: "The audacity of my poor judgement."

I am just as upset as anyone, as I am a former supporter & donor to the Obama campaign. But, I am certainly not going to buy into this flimsy denial.

Or, perhaps, being affiliated with a church and appearing pious is, for someone who aspires to public office, a necessary matter of image like whistlestop tours or kissing babies. It seems somewhat anachronistic, but can you imagine how much more shrieking we'd be hearing if it were revealed that Obama didn't go to any church, as opposed to attending one with a kooky minister?

This is only speculation, but it's completely possible that his entire affiliation with the church and embracing of an "uncle-like" pastor is trumped up for garnering votes in the South. This would certainly explain Obama stumbling blindly into a political faux pas (which is all this is, and probably won't matter should he win the nomination).

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More "opinions," but still no facts to back them. The smear continues and the sheeple eat it up. Should any one of you ever feel up to the task, this final time, I invite you to post ANY quote from Sen. Barack Obama supporting the angry words of Wright. As I have repeated, to people who clearly are NOT up to the task, I have posted Sen. Obama's denouncement of them. Till that happens, each of you is simply complicit in an underhanded smear campaign.

Really? Two posts to tell me that you're not going to tell me anything?

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Certainly, this could have been a political move for Obama. It's possible he really doesn't aspire to most of the hateful rhetoric of this church.

But again, he has stated repeatedly, that Pastor Wright was his inspiration for his book. That reflects extremely poor judgement.

I can't believe the stupidity of this.

It gives pause, because we really don't know Barack Obama. If elected as President, who would he choose to be in his cabinet. Would all foreign aid go to Africa? Would policy in America change in America to bias against the white population, etc. etc. The list goes on & on.

Barack Obama is a 20 year member of a church, that states: America created the aids virus so we could kill off blacks in Africa.

I'll grant you that it's certainly poor judgment, particularly if my hypothetical musing were true. This would mean that Obama hitched his wagon to someone without vetting him as a source that would hold up to scrutiny.

Still, I would consider this a political mistake, rather than one that would bear any real relevance to his capabilities as a leader/elected official. In my mind, unfortunately, the political game is almost completely divorced from actually running the country. That is, candidates are forced to do a dance to get into office that is only passingly relevant to being in office.

Something tells me that Obama (or anyone) would be a lot more careful about appointing people for this very reason. His inclusion of this man was an appeal to religious voters more than any endorsement of him for a real position. All politicians do this - McCain recently accepted an endorsement from some right wing idiot who called the Catholic Church "satan" and compared it to Hitler and the Nazis. A bone-headed political move in an attempt to pander, but ultimately irrelevant to his capacity to serve.

Vetting people as appointees is a different game than pandering to easily manipulated swaths of the voting public.

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And the redneck said "just because all my friends are KKK doesn't mean I am, or even think like them.

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And he continued..."Gee, I didn't make all those racist remarks and hate speech at the KKK rally. All I did was put on a hood, watch the cross burn and listen to the Grand Dragon, my spiritual mentor."

"After all, I didn't actually burn the cross. I merely donated matches".

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