Obama's denials are worthless.........and this is why:

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I just saw the videos of Pastor Wright & his comments. I am extremely disappointed.

Prior to seeing these videos of Pastor Wright's rantings & ravings: I finally believed we had a black man running for President, that was capable of uniting all of this country.

After watching these videos, it is impossible for me to believe Barack Obama's statement: That he didn't know that his pastor of 20 years, made these kind of radical, hateful statements toward the United States--& that he just became of aware of them, via the news media.

Anyone who watches these videos, "which everyone should before they vote", understands immediately that Pastor Wright is a loose cannon & has always been one. Then to add insult to injury--Barack Obama in his denouncement of his pastor's statements, refers to Pastor Wright, "as kind of like an uncle".

For Barack Obama to believe that he could run for the leader of the free world & that his radical pastor of 20 years would not hurt his chances of winning the Presidency, is probably the most obscene ignorance, I have ever witnessed in my entire lifetime.

I believe now, that much of what Michelle Obama has said, is a direct reflection on what her pastor has preached.

My mother went to the same church for almost 50 years. the priest who was at that church for the last 15 years of my mother's life was someone who she did not agree with on many key issues.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that she disapporoved of him - and at times claimed "he was not a real priest."

I have no idea what things are like among protestants, but I keep hearing about "a personal relationship with God."

It shouldn't matter two hoots if Mickey Mouse is your local priest/pastor. Your attendance at a church is about YOUR relationship with God if you are a believer.

Isn't it?

It may well be true that Obama's attending this particular church does say something about him, but if his fellow christians expect him to engage in church swapping if he doesn't like the pastor, I'm not too sure why they want to keep telling me about this "personal" relationship with God.

Is your relationship with God really a threesome with your pastor?

Well barak says this guy was an uncle to him. So, after 20 years I'd say he knew what this man held as beliefs. So, would you sit there and listen to this or by attending etc. provide presumptive approval? Lets be clear, many have turned off religion because they feel it gets in the way of their relationship with god. While some see their church as their spiritual center. Who is the everyday visible and recognized head of the church, not the temporal head of that church? Wright.

Attending an org. is , by virtue of assoc. over the long term an approval of its tenets. I think the pope is half baked, but still consider myself a catholic, but do not attend anymore. And when I did I wasn't so much listening to the pope as I was there for the church experience to pray in a house of god and hear the message. I would say, to anyone who has been in an African American church environment, the message is very powerful and a huge part of the program. I mean, who sits there 45 times a year, presuming he didn’t go every single Sunday and not hear all or part of this over 20 years? Even excluding a what appears to be a personal relationship. 20 years? Come on.

And who stays if they disagree with the message?

Obama and Wright did many good works. He worked with him in building a outreach prgm. etc. To believe that in all that time and the closeness of this relationship, that these issues never came up, well, that’s a prayer right there.
So the next question is, is it germane?

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So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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Heres an example of the Times (UK),...and lets see is there an agenda here? I wonder of they are affiliated with the NY Times....


TV networks have constantly replayed videos of sermons in which the pastor, who married Mr Obama and baptised his children, denounces the United States. The campaign of John McCain, the Republican nominee-elect, began circulating material on the pastor yesterday and right-wing talk radio hosts devoted hours to the subject.


Barack Obama distances himself from pastor who denounced ‘racist’ US - Times Online



really? TV networks are NOT constantly replaying vids in fact they have been pretty much silent.
And McCain is circulating material? That’s libel in my opinion, the proof please? Wow.....I thought our MSM was screwed up.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Why do people act as though this was a common part Reverend Wright's sermons week-in-and-week-out. These were random occurrences that have destroyed this man's legacy, all with the purpose of bringing down a presidential candidate. I can't believe we're reaching a point where the sins of everyone that surrounds the political figure are cast upon that political figure. It was pathetic when it was done to Mitt Romney. It's pathetic when it's being done to Barack Obama.

But this idea that someone should leave their church because they disagree with some of the things the preacher says is absolutely ludicrous. Would you abandon members of your family that made racist or sexist or homophobic statements just becuase you disagreed with them? What if your church was as big a part of your life as your family? Obama said Wright was like an uncle. That doesn't surprise me one bit. I've got a racist uncle. I still hang out with him sometimes. Does that make me a racist? This whole "agreement by association" principle falls flat on its face.

And these same people find it acceptable for a candidate to be endorsed by someone who has made homophobic, anti-Semetic or anti-Catholic remarks because, to them, it's the degree of association that matters, and they are the deciders regarding what degree is acceptable.

If anyone could find me a single piece of evidence that Barack Obama shares any kind of this sentiment, I'd really love to see it. Otherwise, if we're going to continue this "agreement by association" mentality, I'd be worried about the tremendous can of worms that will be opened regarding associations on the other side.

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Nice try.
Over 20 years Daisy.
Barrack Hussein Obama and his bitch were civil rights activist.
You guys gotta listen to people sometimes. Your mindsets that everything is an attack takes you further and further from us every day.
They’ll give you a place to go, they always do. It was an isolated instance, he’s a friend of the family, listening to him for my entire adult life doesn’t effect my ideals ect ect ect.
Go with Hillary if you must but please for the sake of mankind, don’t defend this horrible man filled with hate and contempt for America.
The Obamedia shows you a different man then is really there and the deceivers have closed your minds to anything and everything that is exposed about him.

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It’s a place for them to go.
Instead of how dare Barack Hussain Obama it’s how dare republicans.

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Well the degree matters.....5 days after 911, he preaches a sermon that is vindictive, inflammatory and basically places the blame on our heads. Now, do you really believe something like that was unknown to obama? And let’s say it is, does that mean he agrees? That’s was 7 years ago. And hey, some here even agree with that assessment, but that’s not quite the issue, the public has a right to now what this man, our possible future leader sees as viable regards continued affiliation etc. I think this is important. What we are not entitled to know what a man believes or provides by his attendance and assoc. tacit agreement too? Since when?

So, affiliations, associations are now off limits? I’ll ask again, since when?

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“I'd be worried about the tremendous can of worms that will be opened regarding associations on the other side”

RFK, that horse has been out of the barn for decades...Bush spoke at Bob Jones univ...remember that? And for 2 weeks there after he was taken to task for speaking at a “racist” univ. Once, as he wasn’t a member of that church and did not attend its services.

Every candidate since JFK has had to speak to at some length, to his religion. Bush has been excoriated for making faith to big a part of his life etc. as it may spill over into decision making processes that he has to employ while in office. Faith in Obamas life, by his own admission, plays a big part too. I say good for him. I think spirituality is very important. If faith pays a part in ones life I think asking what that faith espouses and what its tenets are is very important.

If he had given a few sermons or made a few appearances to garner votes or shore up sppt. we would not be having this conversation. This is not the case.

I thought the hoopla regards swaggart, roberst, et al regards assoc. evidencing some deeper held conviction regards endorsements based on a couple of appearances was foolish. That’s an indication of a politician doing what they do, and is not a 20 year commitment.

The results of delving into pastor wrights proselytizing on some levels resulted in some troubling disclosures, it appears that those who surfaced this and thinks its important will now be taken to task for doing so. That’s dishonest. If the news were cheery and all bright lights we’d be cheering.


I won’t even get into the complete lapse of the MSM. Anyone, who expects to get balance from them, is dreaming.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

"Random occurrences that have destroyed this man's legacy"? I gotta disagree with you here. The pastor in question is fully and solely responsible for the content of his sermons. If his "God Damn America" invective has damaged his legacy, he has himself and only himself to blame.

There's no "agreement by association" here - it was more "agreement by appointment". Obama chose to bring the man into an official role in his campaign. That makes the man's prior comments relevant.

That said, I give Obama credit for his response - once the remarks were known, Obama unequivocally refuted them and dismissed the pastor from his official role in the Obama campaign.

I think one might consider appointment to an official role in a campaign to be a pretty strong association, no?

I think Obama handled the situation very well, and I don't fault the man at all for this episode. He addressed it directly as soon as it came to light.

Has Obama not dismissed the pastor, then I believe Obama would deserve criticism. As is, I think he handled the situation well.

Matt

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Humm, just saw a blurb on the tele. larry elder- he said that obama asked his pastor to “not attend the convention because, he didn't want to lose Jewish sppt...”all be it hearsay , I am going to take a look at this, BUT, if so, ( he did ask him not to speak for a reason) if obama didn’t know he was making comments based on possibly volatile remarks made why did he dis-invite him?

And I watched obamas commentary last night live- he is not nearly as charismatic or deft, when speaking off the cuff.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

I also watched this and was struck by the same thought, it is clear he is not a sharp man, nor a man who can think well under pressure. It was as if the man we see making inspirational speeches and the man in the interview last night was two separate people.

...I guess now we know why he has given no interviews up until now...that is interviews not done by his network and CNN fan club.

and the debates...its all format....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Anyone who understands what it means to be a member of a church will understand that you don't take such a decision lightly.

If you have to sit in a chapel and listen week after week to sermons that you don't agree with you'll stop attending. You don't have to agree with everything your pastor says but you should agree with some of his preachings.

These sermons are so despicable that any reasonable person who doesn't agree with them would leave. I can't see any difference between what Rev. Wright says and what you might hear at a KKK rally.

Anyone who attends church on a regular basis knows that although the subject changes the delivery and focus is always the same. When Obama said that this week was the first time he even heard rumors of Rev.Wright's sermons against whites he is obviously lying. The good Rev. has been one of Obama's most trusted advisers up until this story broke this week so Obama must value his viewpoints.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

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