And, anyone who speaks pro-education or pro-parental involvement in education is easy. I equate it to saying, "I am pro-children, flowers, puppies, music, etc.". So what? It's empty rhetoric.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

I have absolutely no idea what this means. Is it supposed to be related to my comments?

This is what you wrote:

So, basically what you're suggesting is that we should do what we can to keep the "greedy people who did the damage" from leaving.

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

No - I said nothing of the kind.

I am talking about investors from around the world and here in the US who invest in this country. I am not talking about those who had a good time with the housing bubble.

I am talking about investors and fund managers in London and Paris and Shanghai and Tokyo and Sydney and Toronto who look around the world for attractive places to invest money. All nations are in competition for capital.

The US has been a very attractive place to invest since the Reagan years. If a left-wing government takes over in Washington and sends the capital gains tax through the roof, that is a clear signal: the US is NO LONGER an attractive place to invest. Ordinary investors will be punished by Washington.

Today there are more places to invest than at any time in history. Investors will simply say: "Why should I put up with this nonsense? I will pull my money out of the US and invest elsewhere."

Capital pulls out. Interest rates move up. The dollar takes a further nosedive. Inflation takes off. The recession deepens.

Meanwhile the left can boast of how it beat up on those bad Wall Streeters. But it is the ordinary people with retirement funds who will suffer - unless they move their funds to Europe or Asia or Canada or the emerging markets, or anywhere besides the US.

*bows respectfully to Si Modo*

ahoy matey!

while i do agree with you; that talking about them kinda things are easy, isn't it a bit unfair to single out mr obama on these issues?

just narrow, for a moment, the topic to education...don't you believe, in your heart of hearts, that if you sat down with mr. mccain, or mrs. clinton, or mr. obama...that all three 'o them could have a detailed, wonkish conversation with ye. it might be dry, at times, and peppered with facts and statistics. just the sort of thing that might happen in their inner circles on any policy debate, aye?

i think its expecting a bit much for any of the candidates to engage in that sort 'o talk while campaigning for president. aren't campaigns, by and large, about stirrin' folks up with sweeping language? moving and inspiring? goin' fer the lowest common denominator, and findin' a simple message that will resonate with the masses?

i can see how, up till now, one might accuse mr. obama of that very thing, however...

i found mr. obama's speech sorta thoughtful. not the kind of thing imma used to seeing on the campaign trail. he seemed, to a degree, to be expressing empathy for both the black americans, and the white americans on the combustable topic 'o race.
i never seen a presidential candidate do that before.

*salutes*

-meadhallpirate

Seems Obama is quick to play the race card......He believes what Imus said was out of line and needed to be fired, then claims he would fire anyone who made a negative comment on his staff about any race, yet Wright was on his staff until the media exposed him.

So Obama, you're all for firing Imus for racist comments, but your bigoted spiritual advisor is OK until he is exposed and you get embarrassed.


Newsmax.com - Obama Defends Rev. Wright, Blasts Imus

Oh please, this is already being beat to death with a wet diaper, could we please keep this to one thread.

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Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Where's the hyperlinked source to that cut-and-paste?

I would prefer to view the story in it's orginal context and to know the source.

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Congratulations President-Elect Obama

Like your BS thread over in War? How many times have you liberals posted a thread about the US torturing POW's and then have you boy turn out to be a liar?

So by your standards, every-time one of your anti war nuts wants to post a thread about the US so called torture it should be posted in the same thread as the one from 3 years ago?

Showing your hypocrisy......wanting to hide anything that makes Obama look more and more like the bigot he is?

To SOB et al-

Merit.
My view- the discussion regards Obama having held a close friendship with and be a member of a discriminatory group, who it appears holds views that, clearly the mainstream of this country may find offensive etc. be it a golf club, church or recreation center is germane. I don’t see this as a “race” issue, I see it as a political issue.


His long term attendance etc. was not an act of a politician parachuting in to pander for votes. I would not waste my time on such activities as they are not indicative I think of a mans character as a whole, it’s a gimme we generally allow politicians. The system stinks, but as adults we understand that pandering is, well just that.

Simply put, there is a historical precedent regards investigation and questioning of such.

That is why I see “merit” in asking for an explanation. I don’t see it as an attack; I see it as a request for disclosure that goes to character and judgment.

Now as to what he heard and if he indeed digested such, is an open question. He said he heard controversial statements. He did not identify them. We are left wondering what he sees or even more so, understands as “controversial”, as it appears, appears being the operative word here, he must have heard something along the lines of what we have.


The speech addressing the issue, sounded like a political maneuver to turn the event, into a race issue, ( I Hillary was admonished several times by Obama, and his staff, re: injecting race into the campaign was not fair, nor relevant, that is it appears until now), where in he can lay claim to the apparent protection and guilt as displayed by the media in its self imposed ignorance and lack of coverage. Good for him, but that dog won’t hunt in my opinion, forever.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

You're going to have to define for me what "playing the race card" actually means. As far as I've learned, it means that an individual claims that he/she is being treated a certain way because of his/her race. I don't think I've ever heard Obama say anything that would fit that definition. A discussion of race does not mean someone's using the "race card."

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threads merged

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Well I am back-----I just posted my merit discussion and now I just heard this......

610 WIP host Angelo Cataldi asked Obama about his Tuesday morning speech on race at the National Constitution Center in which he referenced his own white grandmother and her prejudice. Obama told Cataldi that;

"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling less like that. And that's pretty powerful stuff"

Obama on WIP: My grandmother's a "typical white person" | Philadelphia Daily News | 03/20/2008

The link has the audio clip...

Well, this is, I am at a loss for words. Seriously. I have to think on this before I comment further.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Obama said that it is relatively typical for a person to feel weary about people that they don't know. The phrase "typical white person" probably wasn't the best phrase to use, but his further point is obvious: We shouldn't let past mentalities get in the way of building a better future. He's saying that it is normal to harbor resentment against others for certain reasons, but that we souldn't allow those resentments to keep us from improving seeminly stagnant conditions.

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"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.”
- George Will

Obama seems to practice freelance psycology as a sideline/hobby.

Threads like this are proof positive that (t)his race issue is going to be on the minds of voters.

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