Obama Speech 3/18 - "Race In America" - Page 4 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Captain Trips · #46 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

You've got an adoring fan here Chassiman. Are you going to accept his endorsement or distance yourself?

It's a bit refreshing to see more than a thimble full of common sense, what can I say ? :-)

TheLastBoyScout · #47 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by chassisman

I need to see if he's sitting on one of my pews first.

He's cheering you on within earshot, reverend. I don't think it matters whether he's in his seat or standing in the aisle.

Ignore him if you like, but I have concerns about his relationship with you.

chassisman · #48 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by erikvv

I don't think there is a problem with organized groups of people who share a common heritage and it is always treated differently when a group is a poor minority (white or non-white), but that was not the problem with the pastor. He was blaming other groups for the problem of his own group, and that is the controversial part.

The way we got here was by my claim that BO's church was segregationist. After reading the statement from their web site do you agree that it is, or disagree?

Captain Trips · #49 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

He's cheering you on within earshot, reverend. I don't think it matters whether he's in his seat or standing in the aisle.

Ignore him if you like, but I have concerns about his relationship with you.

We haven't decided to start our "battle for gay marriage" in our states YET

chassisman · #50 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

He's cheering you on within earshot, reverend. I don't think it matters whether he's in his seat or standing in the aisle.

Ignore him if you like, but I have concerns about his relationship with you.

Shit, you'd better alert my wife then.

Frank · #51 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by erikvv

1 and 2 no, 3 yes.

Where did he denounce the "Black Value System" or the declarations of loyalty to Africa? The transcripts have been posted can you show me the denunciation?

Captain Trips · #52 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by chassisman

Shit, you'd better alert my wife then.

God don't "out" us on the internet

erikvv · #53 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by chassisman

The way we got here was by my claim that BO's church was segregationist. After reading the statement from their web site do you agree that it is, or disagree?

Yeah it's segregationist. So what? I know asian clubs and Kurdish bars and white 'gabber' parties. I've got no problem with them. As I said the problem with the pastor is that he is blaming other ethnic groups for his problems.

Alex · #54 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

The speech confirmed that Obama's entire candidacy is about one thing - race. He likes to pretends that he 'transcends' race, but he's really just another poverty pimp. He sounds like Al Sharpton. I think he just handed the nomination to Hillary.

TheLastBoyScout · #55 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by chassisman

The way we got here was by my claim that BO's church was segregationist. After reading the statement from their web site do you agree that it is, or disagree?

I don't know if the segregationist angle applies.

With your standard for "segregationist" applied, Obama's church is hardly unique... and hardly surprising since we casually throw around the term "black churches" as a colloquialism.

It's quite likely that almost everyone knows that black churches are ... well black churches. Many people likely see this as insignificant and there are a few people likely take solace that black people "have their own" churches so they won't be coming to "ours" ....

erikvv · #56 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

Where did he denounce the "Black Value System" or the declarations of loyalty to Africa? The transcripts have been posted can you show me the denunciation?

Read this part.

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Originally Posted by Obama

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice.

Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country -- a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America, a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Rev. Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems -- two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

Donkey_Left · #57 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

In his speech today:

Obama spoke of a Constitution "stained by this nation's original sin of slavery," spoke of a "white community" (as if such thing existed), and spoke in a language of division (Asians, African Americans, Hispanics) instead of a language of inclusion (Americans). It was race-laden when the candidate needed to return to the sucessful tactic of studiously avoiding the subject.

Race baiting bullshit coming from a presidential candidate who is supposed to UNITE not DIVIDE.

Did ya catch it that time ?

The original constitution, as written, was "stained by this nation's original sin of slavery."

Was it not?

Alex · #58 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

We all agree that Obama has good speech writers and is great in front of a teleprompter. But he cannot expect to be taken seriously anymore. He says" Words matter" and "Speeches Matter" but dismisses the words and speeches of his hate filled pastor? Either words and speeches matter or they don't. Which is it Obama?

Frank · #59 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by erikvv

Read this part.

And where is the denunciation of the core doctrines of the church? Obama is criticising the rabidly racist comments of his pastor but where is the denunciation of the racialist church laws itself?

There is an old saying erikvv that actions speak louder than words; I would say Obama's allegiance to this racist pastor along with his refusal to leave this pastors openly racialist church speaks louder than his damage control speech. I also took note that Barack expressed solidarity with the racist Jewish Supremacist Apartheid state of Israel in the quote you posted while taking a shot at Islam; Obama strikes me as a legitimate anti-racist alright!

Appears like he is whoring his values to pander to the John Hagee crowd with that quote...

Si modo · #60 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

In his speech today:

Obama spoke of a Constitution "stained by this nation's original sin of slavery," spoke of a "white community" (as if such thing existed), and spoke in a language of division (Asians, African Americans, Hispanics) instead of a language of inclusion (Americans). It was race-laden when the candidate needed to return to the sucessful tactic of studiously avoiding the subject.

Race baiting bullshit coming from a presidential candidate who is supposed to UNITE not DIVIDE.

Did ya catch it that time ?

Now you've got me wondering what a "white community" is, too.

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