Obama Speech 3/18 - "Race In America" - Page 5 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

Frank · #61 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

Now you've got me wondering what a "white community" is, too.

It does not exist in America; while legions of blacks, Hispanics, Jews and Asians unite by race, ethnicity or nationality (whatever you want to call it) Western Whites especially American Whites tend to be suicidal individualists who have no sense of collective unity and collective survival.

Obama is a fool if he thinks a self-identified "white community" outside of the nationalist movements exists within America...

Alex · #62 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by erikvv

Yeah it's segregationist. So what? I know asian clubs and Kurdish bars and white 'gabber' parties. I've got no problem with them. As I said the problem with the pastor is that he is blaming other ethnic groups for his problems.

That is one aspect of the problem. Obama has a major problem - his mentor is an America hating racist. He did not deal with the problem with this speech, instead he made it the core of his entire candidacy. This election is now a referendum on race relations in the USA. I don't think the strategy is going to be a winner.

Johnny K · #63 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

And where is the denunciation of the core doctrines of the church? Obama is criticising the rabidly racist comments of his pastor but where is the denunciation of the racialist church laws itself?

There is an old saying erikvv that actions speak louder than words; I would say Obama's allegiance to this racist pastor along with his refusal to leave this pastors openly racialist church speaks louder than his damage control speech. I also took note that Barack expressed solidarity with the racist Jewish Supremacist Apartheid state of Israel in the quote you posted while taking a shot at Islam; Obama strikes me as a legitimate anti-racist alright!

Appears like he is whoring his values to pander to the John Hagee crowd with that quote...

Good grief! As predicted, there is absolutely nothing Sen Obama could say or do to satisfy the bloodlust of this crowd. GOP smear is alive and well.

Hopefully the public will see this crap for exactly what it is. These self-serving bigots are willing to watch this Nation go down the tubes rather than own the mess they have created.

Shame on all of you.

Si modo · #64 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

It does not exist in America; while legions of blacks, Hispanics, Jews and Asians unite by race, ethnicity or nationality (whatever you want to call it) Western Whites especially American Whites tend to be suicidal individualists who have no sense of collective unity and collective survival.

Obama is a fool if he thinks a self-identified "white community" outside of the nationalist movements exists within America...

I don't believe it's a suicidal trend whites are on, but point taken.

Donkey_Left · #65 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

It does not exist in America; while legions of blacks, Hispanics, Jews and Asians unite by race, ethnicity or nationality (whatever you want to call it) Western Whites especially American Whites tend to be suicidal individualists who have no sense of collective unity and collective survival.

Obama is a fool if he thinks a self-identified "white community" outside of the nationalist movements exists within America...

Bullshit.

It doesn't take on the same characteristics as some of the minority community identities, but it definitely exists.

ThorHammer · #66 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Good grief! As predicted, there is absolutely nothing Sen Obama could say or do to satisfy the bloodlust of this crowd. GOP smear is alive and well.

Hopefully the public will see this crap for exactly what it is. These self-serving bigots are willing to watch this Nation go down the tubes rather than own the mess they have created.

Shame on all of you.

Wait, so now we are bigots because we disagree with Obama's stance here?

Guess we can't disagree with a black man (not that Obama really is one) without being bigoted?

ThorHammer · #67 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

It doesn't take on the same characteristics as some of the minority community identities, but it definitely exists.

It doesn't exist at all. The whole concept of a "white community" was made up by other racial nationalist movements who needed an emeny.

Si modo · #68 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Wait, so now we are bigots because we disagree with Obama's stance here?

Guess we can't disagree with a black man (not that Obama really is one) without being bigoted?

I must be a "male chauvinist pig" since I disagree with Hillary's stance, too.

Alex · #69 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Good grief! As predicted, there is absolutely nothing Sen Obama could say or do to satisfy the bloodlust of this crowd. GOP smear is alive and well.

Hopefully the public will see this crap for exactly what it is. These self-serving bigots are willing to watch this Nation go down the tubes rather than own the mess they have created.

Shame on all of you.

Why are we all bigots? Because we refuse to buy into Obama's flowery rhetoric? Let me tell you something Johnny, in this life "actions" are the only thing that counts, not "words". Obama went to this racist America hating church for twenty years - that is action. He accepted the hate filled message or he would not have continued to attend year after year. According to Barrack Obama - Jeremiah Wright was his inspiration, his mentor, his spiritual adviser. Jeremiah Wright married Obama and baptized his children. Jeremiah Wright is an America hating, race bating, bigot. Jeremiah Wright and Obama are the ones who should be ashamed. Even Oprah had the good sense to disassociate from the man.

Frank · #70 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Donkey_Left

Bullshit.

It doesn't take on the same characteristics as some of the minority community identities, but it definitely exists.

Where does it exist? While Thorhammer's naive and suicidal statement is repulsive in my view he does tend to represent modern White thought on the issue of race relations.

I know that many "white flight" communities exist as a result of whites attempting to escape the consequences of the diversity they claim to love so much but I do not know of a single one that identifies as a "white community."

Frank · #71 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Wait, so now we are bigots because we disagree with Obama's stance here?

Guess we can't disagree with a black man (not that Obama really is one) without being bigoted?

Next you will be labeled a "racist" for not voting for the man!

The irony of this is Barack is the one who associates with racist pastors and a racialist church yet YOU are the "bigot" for calling him on these affiliations.

This is leftist logic for you folks.

Alex · #72 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

I don't think the speech helped Barack Sharpton Jackson Obama -

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McCain currently leads Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton by an identical 48% to 42% margin (see recent daily results). Among White voters, McCain leads Clinton by fifteen percentage points and Obama by nineteen points. Both Democrats lead McCain by large margins among minority voters.

White voters are offended by BSJO's (Barack Sharpton Jackson Obama) America hating racist church.

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Barack Obama delivered a major speech in Philadelphia today in an effort to move beyond the controversy swirling around his former Pastor, Jeremiah Wright (see Obama’s speech).The Illinois Senator is viewed favorably today by just 48% of voters nationwide (see recent daily results). The number with an unfavorable view of Obama has grown to 49%. Obama’s overall favorable ratings peaked at 56% on February 21 and have declined modestly since that time. While Obama tries to move beyond discussions of race, he is viewed favorably by 83% of African-Americans and by 42% among White voters.

McCain is now viewed favorably by 53%, unfavorably by 42%. Clinton is viewed favorably by 46%, unfavorably by 53%. (see recent daily results). McCain earns favorable reviews from 59% of White voters and 31% of African-Americans. As for Clinton, she earns favorable reviews from 43% of White voters and 61% of African-Americans.

Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election. If the election were held today - McCain would crush either of the two Democrats.

Donkey_Left · #73 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

Where does it exist? While Thorhammer's naive and suicidal statement is repulsive in my view he does tend to represent modern White thought on the issue of race relations.

I know that many "white flight" communities exist as a result of whites attempting to escape the consequences of the diversity they claim to love so much but I do not know of a single one that identifies as a "white community."

That, in your words, is to what I was referring.

I think you will find that consistent with "It doesn't take on the same characteristics as some of the minority community identities."

Si modo · #74 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Frank

Where does it exist? While Thorhammer's naive and suicidal statement is repulsive in my view he does tend to represent modern White thought on the issue of race relations.

I know that many "white flight" communities exist as a result of whites attempting to escape the consequences of the diversity they claim to love so much but I do not know of a single one that identifies as a "white community."

The term "White Flight" dates back to 1968 and doesn't apply to our current society as times have drastically changed with respect to civil rights.

I still don't understand what is so naive or suicidal about the lack of a "white community" outside of WNs. But, that would derail the thread, at this point.

Pogo · #75 (**permalink**) 03-18-2008

Well, at least we've put to rest this hooey about Obama "transcending race".

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