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Interesting. I live in a big city, and my perception has been completely different. That is, that Obama would almost surely win in the general election. That was before this pastor business, which gives me and others pause.

Part of me is rooting for a convention mess because the elitist and inequitable system needs a shakeup. We shall see.
That's exactly what I mean. In larger cities he seems to be very popular but here very few white people claim to support him. There seems to be some general worry about him that isn't just about race but a mixture of race, religion, his name, and now the thing with his preacher. I think it also has to do with me being surrounded by older people although I haven't seen anything major out of even the college students although they may be waiting until the general election to pay attention.
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Re: Dems, what if?

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That gives me mixed feelings. I would like to see Clinton beat Obama but not in this way.
Problem is that the super delegates will pick the nominee, as per the party rules from my understanding whom most support Mrs. Clinton. But whoever wins the Dem nomination, there will still be "bad blood" which some Democrats will not vote for the other Dem candidate, despite the rhetoric of party unification.
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Worse case scenario: Michigan and Florida delegates do not get seated and the Superdelegates pick Clinton as the nominee.
I don't think the super delegates will do that. Why? Because it's Barack Obama, & he's black. No, I am not racist, but one has to realise the consequences of doing this to a black candidate. The consequences of going against the popular vote would be to disenfranchise the entire black population, which the democrat party would never do. They know they would lose their voting block for decades to come. The next consideration is race riots over a Hillary nomination. This is in the back of their minds also.

So, if Obama is in the lead at the end of all this, by popular vote & delegate vote, Clinton has no chance at all of winning the super delegates.

The democrat party wouldn't do this, even if they knew for certain, 100%, that Obama could not win against McCain. They would rather give up the White House than to confront disaster in the streets of Denver.
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That's exactly what I mean. In larger cities he seems to be very popular but here very few white people claim to support him. There seems to be some general worry about him that isn't just about race but a mixture of race, religion, his name, and now the thing with his preacher. I think it also has to do with me being surrounded by older people although I haven't seen anything major out of even the college students although they may be waiting until the general election to pay attention.

You're exactly right. Obamas poll numbers are dropping dramatically over his 20 year association with Pastor Wright.

Hillary looks exhausted & probably wonders why this news didn't come out 3 months ago, prior to super Tuesday.

If it would have, Obama wouldn't even be in second place right now. John Edwards would have held second place, & Hillary would have been the certain democrat nominee.

How things change!
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The democrat party wouldn't do this, even if they knew for certain, 100%, that Obama could not win against McCain. They would rather give up the White House than to confront disaster in the streets of Denver.
This is an interesting point, it had never occurred to me.
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