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Re: Richardson Endoreses Obama

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Because there's just a little too much going against her.

Michigan and Florida aren't going to have a re-vote, which mean there's no way she's going to catch up in either the popular vote or in the pledged delegate count. The super delegates will have to award her the nomination despite losing more states, getting less votes and winning less pledged delegates. That seems REALLY unlikely to me. I think superdelegates are keeping silent because they truly want the voters to cast their ballots. But the party isn't going to buck popular opinion.
I think that the superdelegates will be the deciding factor unless Obama pulls off a win in Pennsylvania. If he beats her there then I think that will be the end of Mrs. Clinton.

It's funny, long before the first caucuses and primaries a lot of us thought that the Democrats had their nominee all sown up and that the Republicans would be in for the long haul. Just look at what is happening now. The Republicans have their nominee and the Democrats are still deciding.
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Well that's the thing. How long will she go tearing the part apart despite the fact that mathematically, she is done.
anyone who lived through eight years of Bill and Hillary Clinton already knows that Hillary will never give in or concede. She is going to take this to Denver regardless of what it does to her party. You can bank on it.
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I honestly don't see Richardson as being a V.P. candidate here. While I think he would be great and was in full disclosure my pick for the democratic nomination...I don't think there is any chance Obama will choose him. Consider this since nobody in the news media will say it, Obama has had increasing difficulty with the white male vote, it is not going to help him in the general election with Richardson on the ticket. I would love nothing more than to have him in the White House, but it will not work. The same goes for Clinton. . . .
I'm not so sure of that on white males.

White males tend to vote GOP anyway despite the fact that, Ferraro in 1984 excepted, white males have always been on the Dem ticket.

Thus, I think it is a matter of candidates having positions that satisfy enough white males who aren't already firmly in the Dem camp moreso than being just a white male. As for white males who harbour prejudice against women, blacks, Hispanics, etc, I don't see such types generally being open to Democratic tickets anyway.

Archie Bunker just isn't going to do that.

YouTube - Archie Bunker on Democrats

YouTube - All in the Family - Archie Bunker Meets Sammy Davis

I liked Richardson early in the primary; he just didn't get traction. What I really liked about him was his Blue Dog streaks, an area where appeals to many white males can be made.

Many people are just party lever pullers, but I'm not. I've always been a cross party voter and have conservative, moderate, and libertarian streaks on certain issues and aspects whilst liberal on others. Thus, I have to look at all the candidates and their issues, strengths and weaknesses, etc, as I view them, and measure the totality of the circumstances. Anything that tilts the see-saw towards one side or the other is what adds up to a decision.

For example, Richardson's excellent NRA rating on guns was a huge plus for me. Richardson will have that advantage on that particular issue over a white male who has a terrible NRA approval record.
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anyone who lived through eight years of Bill and Hillary Clinton already knows that Hillary will never give in or concede. She is going to take this to Denver regardless of what it does to her party. You can bank on it.
And it's a bet you'd win if I were booking at Las Vegas.
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Here we go! Bill Richardson is the govenor of New Mexico. Hillary won New Mexico. So we have a govenor going "against" the wishes of his own state, therefore disenfranchising the voters.

I wonder what Obama promised him for this endorsement?

You can bet Richardsons endorsement is for his own personal political gain.

That is, should Obama win the general election. If he doesn't, I don't expect to see or hear much from Richardson. The voters in N.M sure aren't going to vote for him again.
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The math has been unrelenting, even when Hillary wins she is further behind, she needs something like 80% of the vote in PA to get even in the popular vote, and that's not going to happen without a complete disaster hitting the Obama campaign, and this stuff about his minister is fading fast.

At some point before the convention, the superdelegates will let Hillary know that it's over, theoretically she can still close the gap, but the math gets harder with every primary. Maybe if we had 100 states, and things were just ramping up she could catch Obama in the last 50 states, but theres only something like 20 primaries left, and unless she pulls off a huge win in PA she's done and the Superdelegates will let her know in no uncertain terms.
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You can bet Richardsons endorsement is for his own personal political gain.
How does that make him any different from any other politician who has endorsed somebody since the dawn of mankind?
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The math has been unrelenting, even when Hillary wins she is further behind, she needs something like 80% of the vote in PA to get even in the popular vote, and that's not going to happen without a complete disaster hitting the Obama campaign, and this stuff about his minister is fading fast.

At some point before the convention, the superdelegates will let Hillary know that it's over, theoretically she can still close the gap, but the math gets harder with every primary. Maybe if we had 100 states, and things were just ramping up she could catch Obama in the last 50 states, but theres only something like 20 primaries left, and unless she pulls off a huge win in PA she's done and the Superdelegates will let her know in no uncertain terms.
Unfortunately for Obama, an 80% loss in PA may be in the picture. Pastor Wrights comments do not sit well with blue collar workers & whites. Plus, I believe that other states, that were certain wins for Obama are now tied. N.C. being one of them.

Obama's polls suggest that you're wrong. Pastor Wrights comments are still of great concern.

Obama's racial speech is the one that is fading.

When the rubber meets the road:

Voters are asking themselves: How could a man speak such beautiful words regarding racial issues in this country, & then run contrary to his own words, by being a 20 year member of a very racist, hate filled, separatist church?

The answer will be in the voting booth.

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How does that make him any different from any other politician who has endorsed somebody since the dawn of mankind?

It doesn't make him any different from any other politician.

But, the disregard for the voters of his own state are to me, a little over the top. If I were an elected official, I wouldn't go against the wishes of the voters of the state that I represented.

We are going to watch Ted Kennedy & John Kerry do the same thing. Go against the wishes of their state, to cast their "super delegate" vote for Obama.

It's down-right dirty!
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Here we go! Bill Richardson is the govenor of New Mexico. Hillary won New Mexico. So we have a govenor going "against" the wishes of his own state, therefore disenfranchising the voters.

I wonder what Obama promised him for this endorsement?

You can bet Richardsons endorsement is for his own personal political gain.

That is, should Obama win the general election. If he doesn't, I don't expect to see or hear much from Richardson. The voters in N.M sure aren't going to vote for him again.
They elected him to be governor of their state.

He can support whoever the fuck he wants.
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Richardson's endorsement is a huge blow to Hillary on a number of important levels:

1) His extremely high profile among Hispanic voters (as the nation's only Hispanic Governor)
2) His profile as perhaps the most experienced Dem on foreign policy issues (I'd be very comfortable having Richardson answer that 3am phone call anytime)
3) As a former member of Clinton's administration, its a total vote of "no confidence" to Hillary -- his endorsement should have been a shoo-in.
4) Richardson supporters now know that the best chance to see their man serve at a prominent position in the next administration is with Obama (i.e. Hillary certainly ain't going to be calling Richardson for any positions now)
5) This may mark the catalyst necessary for the "Superdelegate" logjam to break Obama's way.

Frankly, those who claim that Richardson is somehow putting his interests before those of the country couldn't be more wrong. The safe bet is to sit back, wait to see who eventually becomes the nominee, and then come out with a loud endorsement. Richardson is taking a huge risk -- if Clinton becomes the nominee, he's all but going to be shut out for the next administration (if not the next two). If anything he should be given credit rather than criticized for making a decision that puts what he believes to be the interests of the country ahead of his own ambitions.
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It scares me that there are Americans out there who think Rev. Wrights words are somehow more important voting issues than the economy and healthcare. When both systems are broken. Its not even a republican democrat thing. Like, shouldnt your vote, no matter WHO it goes for, be about who will be the best on those issues. And if you can't articulate why either candidate would be good on THOSE issues, then..aren't you kind of an idiot?
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It scares me that there are Americans out there who think Rev. Wrights words are somehow more important voting issues than the economy and healthcare. When both systems are broken. Its not even a republican democrat thing. Like, shouldnt your vote, no matter WHO it goes for, be about who will be the best on those issues. And if you can't articulate why either candidate would be good on THOSE issues, then..aren't you kind of an idiot?
I view it as hype talk mostly. Most of those banging the Wright drum are confirmed GOP base people hyping it in the hopes of winning undecided voters. Do you see the same people saying McCain is worse by reaffirming Hagee who thinks a war with Iran would be awesome because it will lead to the Second Coming, that Katrina was God's wrath and vengeance, his virulent anti-Catholicism, etc? Do they make any issue of his other courtings of the RR? Nope.

All kinds of associations can be drawn by the GOP's getting in bed with Religious Right figures. Likewise, the Dem's cheerleaders and hype men/women will be conveniently one-sided on downplaying and hyping anything they see that suits their objectives. (Example--"John McCain is a warmongering closet anti-Catholic fundamentalist and/or 'for sale' tool of them and he and his RR pals are going for Armageddon, etc!").

In short, it's just political jockeying for the most part.
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I love James Carville:

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“An act of betrayal,” said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.

“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.


Source: First a Tense Talk With Clinton, Then Richardson Backs Obama - New York Times
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“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.
Where is the irony?
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