Originally Posted by Johnny K

I said your your previous reply was made with full knowledge of it's dishonesty, per your response. I addressed your posts, to best of my knowledge, that is within "the rules."

Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

Obama IS a liberal. But America has had 8 years of conservatism and look what it has wrought us. I don't think saying Obama is a liberal is going to hurt him this election.

Originally Posted by Si modo

[Emphasis mine]Thanks for providing yet another reason to take your posts with little significance, since you say you can read minds.

Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

Argh, OK. I am trying to understand your logic here and I really do not. Calling out the internalized racism of his own beloved grandmother who raised him was not politically safe or expedient. It was the exact OPPOSITE of "selling someone down the river" in the way you're imagining. It would have been politically safe for him to be contrite and remorseful, disowned Rev. Wright called him a racist and "apologized" (as politicians always do) for any harm or offense the situation had called. Think of how the media, even the praises reacted to the speech. They loved it but they have said "well why didn't he just 'disown' him."

Because he's not going to jump through the media or anyone else's circus hoops. He's not going to give people what they want from him and he's not going to bend his will to popular opinion. He did not back down when the political pressure said "disown" and he's not going to.

Like a great leader he explained his position, he explained why he's taken the stance on it that he has. He even acknowledged that for some it wouldn't be good enough, but STILL he did not bend. Finally and most importantly, essentially declared, "you can vote on Rev. Wright, or we can talk about real issues."

If you're looking for a candidate who won't bow to media pressure(ala Bush), while at the same time being a smart person who's unafraid to expose himself and explain himself (unlike Bush or ANY politician for that matter) how can you not support him?

Originally Posted by Alex

Actually we haven't had eight years of conservatism, we've had eight years of "moderate" governance - not quite conservative and not quite liberal. Bush increased gov't spending and increased entitlement programs - these are not conservative values. A true conservative cuts the size of government, reduces government spending, and focuses on policies that empower the citizenry to help themselves rather than creating more dependency on the government.

Obama and Hillary are both progressive/socialist/liberals that envision a government solution to every problem.

If that is the direction you want to move in, vote for the candidate with a (D) after their name.

Originally Posted by Imperator

Okay, relax I'll take the grandmother out.... would you be happier with my statement...? and agree, hes just another politician?

dude, he aint Nico...hes not "the one"....sorry, truely..if he were I would be first aboard..

and let me point something out, not for its offense so much as it is another example...how many of these are you going to sit through before, you begin to see hes just another Pol?

Political Punch

Originally Posted by Imperator

bingo

Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

No you misunderstood. He said that within most African American churches 2% of the message will have that anti-racist anger. But that98% of the sermons are about Christian principles, love, peace, forgiveness etc. And if you read a Wright sermon in entirety, instead of listening to clips out of context you would recognize that balance.

Oreo, I have to say man. When you first started posting on here you seemed to have interesting things to say about alot of topics. And now you are all about this Wright business. I find it hard to accept someone as smart as you would decide about a person based on a few snippets, rather than their whole life, career and history. You are entitled to your opinion. But...it makes it harder to respond when you just keep repeating yourself over and over with nearly the exact same thing.

Originally Posted by Alex

Bingo is now a change and hope message!!!

Candidate with a "D" after name: "Playing Bingo can be very very DANGEROUS. Studies have shown that in addition to the potential for carpal tunnel syndrome tp develop, playing Bingo on a hard bench seat at your local church could cause an 'ass boil' to develop, leading to intense pain and undesired pain in the buttocks. Under an my administration we'll pass a new law requiring all Bingo halls to have soft seat cushions. Together we can change, and together we can hope!!!! It's what I call, CHOPE!!!!! "

Poor Helpless Victim of evil Capitalism: " Thank you so much. I simply am far too stupid to bring my own cushion to the Bingo hall. A new law really is needed. I just don't know what I'd do without you!!! By the way, when is my 'stimulus' check going to arrive? I need to buy more liquor, cigarettes and lottery tickets."

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

I think people might be surprised to find out that everything doesn't truly exist entirely in it's polar form. Our political labels and categories that carry so much presumed significance today become less useful in an atmosphere of compromise, pragmatism, and common purpose.

When the country is led by a person who talks to you instead of at you.... who listens to input instead of dismissing it..... who acknowledges criticism instead of denying it..... who speaks to Americans as adults, not as children..; maybe then, blind partisanship can be set aside and we can have a functioning government.

Originally Posted by Alex

We've just had seven years of compromise with Bush. He's not a conservative and he's not a liberal. WHy aren't you happy?

Obama is the most liberal senator in the Senate. He votes the 'party line' on every single issue without exception. SO,. if you expect him to run the government as anything but a liberal democrat, you are likely to be disappointed. Please share one of Obama's non-liberal policy proposals. I'd love to discuss it.

Originally Posted by Alex

We've just had seven years of compromise with Bush. He's not a conservative and he's not a liberal. WHy aren't you happy?

Obama is the most liberal senator in the Senate. He votes the 'party line' on every single issue without exception. SO,. if you expect him to run the government as anything but a liberal democrat, you are likely to be disappointed. Please share one of Obama's non-liberal policy proposals. I'd love to discuss it.

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

We had Compromise under Bush?! Are you kidding me? (Are you simply applying the selfish concept that you personally compromised your principals with him as your president? I'm referring to the way he conducted himself in office.. they way performed as a president... the way he operated almost in lock step with his cabinet without regard to almost anyone else... the way he declares in advance that he will veto entire legislation if it contains elements of compromise.)

Conservativism and Liberalism are not polar either. Nor is either easy to apply in full to a particular policy on a case-by-case basis.

What is the Conservative standard as it relates to policy? If you had to pick a person or a body who represents true conservatism, who would it be?

Originally Posted by Alex

Still waiting for that policy of Obama's that is not the same old liberal policy.....we are discussing Obama, right?