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Captain Trips · #31 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

I’ll ask again, has anyone looked at their presentation materials?

Cause if we are going to just go off of websites and hearsay, maybe some folks here need to revisit their posts in the Obama/Wright threads……the hypocrisy is stifling.

You'll get used to it.

Johnny K · #32 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

Fine, take the kids into another class room and let them have at it.

But that is not what a few parents wanted.....they didnt want anyone, not just their kids, to hear the message.....wonder why?

So the question right back to you, why do liberals have a problem with equal time for opposing views?

Nonsense. Schools are neither a place for political agendas or a trolling ground for fresh cannon fodder. Get your "message" out on your own dime and in your own time. No one I know is trying to pitch the message of the stopping the horror of war, in all of it's "romantic glory" at public schools.

I can drive to Forest Lake High School in 15 minutes from my home. I have nephews and neices that attend it. I just got off the phone with their parents. They say they don't want their kids subjected to it. I care what they want. What you want? Not so much.

Let 'em recruit your family's kids. Leave ours the FU** alone.

Funny how you righties are all about "freedom in education" till it interferes with your political agenda.

wooyarn · #33 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

yea, I would think Lieberman has plenty of experiance regards the old with us or against us mantra.

And he changed to Independant, that was his choice. I am also an Independant.
Thats my choice.
I don't think that a school is the proper place for either Anti-War or Pro-War ralies, or whatever they want to call it. They could have arranged with the school to use their Gym or auditorium after school then the parents that didn't want to have their kids exposed to it would have a choice and no need to call the princible about it.

Americano · #34 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by wooyarn

And he changed to Independant, that was his choice. I am also an Independant.
Thats my choice.
I don't think that a school is the proper place for either Anti-War or Pro-War ralies, or whatever they want to call it. They could have arranged with the school to use their Gym or auditorium after school then the parents that didn't want to have their kids exposed to it would have a choice and no need to call the princible about it.

A reasonable solution. After school hours they'd be a non-school sponsored event requiring a permit, contract, liability insurance and voluntary attendance. Why should that group be any different than other private entities?

Hudson · #35 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Americano

VetsForFreedom.org

From their website:

"Our mission is to educate the American public about the importance of achieving success in these conflicts by applying our first-hand knowledge to issues of American strategy and tactics in Iraq."

"If you’re a veteran of Iraq, Afghanistan, or another theatre of the War on Terror, sign up below to show up on April 8 and tell Congress to support General Petraeus and our fellow troops as they continue to succeed in Iraq and Afghanistan"

That's pretty much the gist of their website, a recruitment drive with a political message more than anything else. Opposition to their views doesn't sound like part of the planned program. They're seeking donations but money is already in place for their travel. I'm not going to spend the money to determine how they're capitalized, but maybe someone with a subscription can take a look.

But the article a also said that the group had numerous discussions with the school not make the event meet the principles of public school. But according to your logic, police officers or McGruff the Crime Dog cannot attend a school function because the War on Drugs is too political.

Or how about government employees going to school to talk about civics but is opposed because the person is a political appointee to an unpopular President?

The principal had another choice though. Let the attendance be voluntary. Those that did not attend will be given a social studies assignment reflecting past social studies that they have learned.

Hudson · #36 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

do you know what their message was or is?

Does Goober really care? No one here will look at ALL the information, just the ones that only present their side and ignore, forget, don't recall, etc the other information.

goober · #37 (**permalink**) 03-26-2008

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Originally Posted by Hudson

Does Goober really care? No one here will look at ALL the information, just the ones that only present their side and ignore, forget, don't recall, etc the other information.

I read this

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Steve Massey, the school principal, said the decision to cancel was prompted by concerns that the event was becoming political rather than educational and therefore was not suitable for a public school.

He said the school had received several phone calls from parents and others, some of whom indicated that they may stage a protest if the event took place.

"The event was structured to be an academic classroom discussion around military service. We thought we'd provide an opportunity for kids to learn about service in the context of our history classes," Massey said. "As the day progressed, it became clear that this was becoming a political event ... which would be inappropriate in a public setting.

It seemed to me that the principal was sold on it being an educational event, and that it was turning into a political event, so he canceled it.

Why are you trying to second guess an educator who has all the facts?

Lost Soul · #38 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Johnny K

Nonsense. Schools are neither a place for political agendas or a trolling ground for fresh cannon fodder. Get your "message" out on your own dime and in your own time. No one I know is trying to pitch the message of the stopping the horror of war, in all of it's "romantic glory" at public schools.

I can drive to Forest Lake High School in 15 minutes from my home. I have nephews and neices that attend it. I just got off the phone with their parents. They say they don't want their kids subjected to it. I care what they want. What you want? Not so much.

Let 'em recruit your family's kids. Leave ours the FU** alone.

Funny how you righties are all about "freedom in education" till it interferes with your political agenda.

What a hypocrites you liberals are....you will shove your condoms and sex ed down everyone children throats weather we want it or not, your fantasyland history classes where the truth is never told correctly because of liberal PC, we cannot pray at school even though this country is 80% Christian but you cannot find the time for children to listen to this country's men in service?

Aint that a bitch......you will live under the freedom they provide, use the rights they granted you, sleep under the blanket of security each nite they provide yet you cannot even allow you children to hear what they have to say?

Whatever happened to freedom of speech you libs are always whining and crying about? oh that rights....everyone has that right until you liberals decide you dont like the message of that freedom so no one can hear it.

Lost Soul · #39 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by goober

I read this

It seemed to me that the principal was sold on it being an educational event, and that it was turning into a political event, so he canceled it.

Why are you trying to second guess an educator who has all the facts?

When did a educator have all the facts? LOL only in liberal land.

BTW, my wife is a teacher.

Hudson · #40 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by goober

I read this

It seemed to me that the principal was sold on it being an educational event, and that it was turning into a political event, so he canceled it.

Why are you trying to second guess an educator who has all the facts?

Not questioning the educator. I understand why he canceled it, I just do not agree with the assertion it is with the veterans. Remember, you and others were the ones who said they were from a "right wing hate group" despite all the evidence of the contrary. I put more blame on the parents who thought this was a purely political event to begin with, which it was not, and wanted to ruin it for everybody else. These are the "Limousine Liberals" who are quite adept at telling everybody what to do yet dn not do the same things themselves.

wooyarn · #41 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Lost Soul

What a hypocrites you liberals are....you will shove your condoms and sex ed down everyone children throats weather we want it or not, your fantasyland history classes where the truth is never told correctly because of liberal PC, we cannot pray at school even though this country is 80% Christian but you cannot find the time for children to listen to this country's men in service?

Aint that a bitch......you will live under the freedom they provide, use the rights they granted you, sleep under the blanket of security each nite they provide yet you cannot even allow you children to hear what they have to say?

Whatever happened to freedom of speech you libs are always whining and crying about? oh that rights....everyone has that right until you liberals decide you dont like the message of that freedom so no one can hear it.

80% christain? care to back that up with some prof, I think you'll find it alot less then that.
The second part is just plain BS that people spew when they have nothing intelligent to say.
As for freedom of speech, why is it ok for these people to speak in a school and not ok for the parents to not have their children exposed to them. If it was such an important message then why did they not arrange to do it after school so everyone would have a choice to attend or not attend?
Did this group send out advance notices to the parents?
Did they go thru the local or state school board or just go to the school princible.
You talk about freedoms and then condemn those that excercise their freedoms if they don't agree with you.

wooyarn · #42 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Hudson

Not questioning the educator. I understand why he canceled it, I just do not agree with the assertion it is with the veterans. Remember, you and others were the ones who said they were from a "right wing hate group" despite all the evidence of the contrary. I put more blame on the parents who thought this was a purely political event to begin with, which it was not, and wanted to ruin it for everybody else. These are the "Limousine Liberals" who are quite adept at telling everybody what to do yet dn not do the same things themselves.

I don't think I'd call it a hate group, but if you look at their website, at their mission statment, at their blogs, where they get their support and money they do have an agenda that is abit more then they would like most people to realize.
If they were completely non-partisian as they say then a group like that would most likely qualify as a non-porfit and could be tax exempt, however because of their political attachment they don't

Johnny K · #43 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Hudson

Not questioning the educator. I understand why he canceled it, I just do not agree with the assertion it is with the veterans.

You sure look to be "questioning the educator." I can't make heads or tails of the second sentence or what you are referring to.

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Originally Posted by Hudson

Remember, you and others were the ones who said they were from a "right wing hate group" despite all the evidence of the contrary.

A blatant falsehood, nowhere in this thread has Goober said those words (quoted) nor has anyone else. I suggest you withdraw your false accusation and offer an apology for it.

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Originally Posted by Hudson

I put more blame on the parents who thought this was a purely political event to begin with, which it was not, and wanted to ruin it for everybody else. These are the "Limousine Liberals" who are quite adept at telling everybody what to do yet dn not do the same things themselves.

More ad hominum garbage. I live 15 miles from Forest Lake, to the best of my knowledge there isn't even a limousine service that is based there. Forest Lake is not unlike most of the other communities surrounding Minneapolis, populated by a range of working class families from lower middle to upper middle income. Your assertion is utterly ridiculous.

CowboyTed · #44 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

Can I disagree with the headin for starters...

'Once again the anti American left rears it ugly head. '

What makes any body Anti-American because they don't want kids to sit thru a highly politicised speech in a public school. Anyone who thinks should be ashamed of themselves... Introducing a political agenda into schools is no better than the brown Shirts..

It's just sick how this agenda is continually hijacked by one side proclaiming that the other side is anti american.. This is the same BS used by the Nazis in Germany..

I would suggest that anyone suggesting anyone is anti american because they disagree with a war is in itself against the fondations of the state in which you belong too... By the way this doesn't happen in other countries... British who disagreed with the war were not vilified to this extent..

Americano · #45 (**permalink**) 03-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Hudson

But the article a also said that the group had numerous discussions with the school not make the event meet the principles of public school. But according to your logic, police officers or McGruff the Crime Dog cannot attend a school function because the War on Drugs is too political.

Or how about government employees going to school to talk about civics but is opposed because the person is a political appointee to an unpopular President?

I'd definitely be against the waste of resources and failed war on drugs being promoted as a school function. Why promote failed policy in schools? And unless they're certified teachers, why would political appointees be addressing high school students on civics?

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The principal had another choice though. Let the attendance be voluntary. Those that did not attend will be given a social studies assignment reflecting past social studies that they have learned.

You're suggesting punishment by repeating classes for those who don't want to attend? How very generous of you. Why not a free period for all who don't want to attend what's basically a military recruitment exercise? That's what schools are all about isn't it, repeating classes, free periods or military recruitment?

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