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Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

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On Israel, Clinton, Obama and McCain all aim to be like Bush

It's hard to find differences in the candidates' promises on Hamas, settlements and the Palestinians.

On Israel, Clinton, Obama and McCain all aim to be like Bush - Haaretz - Israel News

It certainly is. If any differences were to be discerned I'd say it was pressure of hugs exerted upon the Israel Lobby, relatives of the Israel Lobby, friends of Israel Lobby relatives or even Israel Lobby relatives' friends' associates.
The course for the US is set . More of the same. This time though, far more people are aware of exactly why IEDs are exploding around the world, why individuals blow themselves up for their cause, why America wants to attack Iran and why the word of the US is now taken with a pinch of snuff.
That, I suppose, is progress of a sort.
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It certainly is. If any differences were to be discerned I'd say it was pressure of hugs exerted upon the Israel Lobby, relatives of the Israel Lobby, friends of Israel Lobby relatives or even Israel Lobby relatives' friends' associates.
The course for the US is set . More of the same. This time though, far more people are aware of exactly why IEDs are exploding around the world, why individuals blow themselves up for their cause, why America wants to attack Iran and why the word of the US is now taken with a pinch of snuff.
That, I suppose, is progress of a sort.
Yes, we know you'd prefer Nancy Pelosi.
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Re: Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

Dennis Kucinich, actually.

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Dennis Kucinich, actually.
My apologies. I thought that you believed Pelosi as the new standard bearer: Pelosi; America's new standard-bearer.


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Re: Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

With regard to America's relationship with the occupiers of Tibet that's exactly what she is. You'll have noticed that the neocon camp quickly followed her example. The difference is that, well..nobody actually believes them.

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Meanwhile, Pelosi is setting new standards for a re-directed US to follow. Yo Nancy. Turn that screw.
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Re: Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

Moon, maybe you've never been to America, but this is how politics work here, you count the jews, you count the Palestinians, and you back the one that there is the most of voting in the next election.
Nobody can bring peace to that area except the Israelis and Palestinians, and the Israelis are going to get more backing from outside the area than the Palestinians.
I'm not saying it's fair, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that is the way it works.
If it was me, I'd petition Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza, and make the whole place one happy country.
They'd never go along with it, but the rest of the world might pause, and with that a serious plan for peace might take shape.
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Moon, maybe you've never been to America, but this is how politics work here, you count the jews, you count the Palestinians, and you back the one that there is the most of voting in the next election.
Nobody can bring peace to that area except the Israelis and Palestinians, and the Israelis are going to get more backing from outside the area than the Palestinians.
I'm not saying it's fair, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that is the way it works.
If it was me, I'd petition Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza, and make the whole place one happy country.
They'd never go along with it, but the rest of the world might pause, and with that a serious plan for peace might take shape.
Thanks for bringing some reality to the thread.
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Re: Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

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With regard to America's relationship with the occupiers of Tibet that's exactly what she is. You'll have noticed that the neocon camp quickly followed her example. The difference is that, well..nobody actually believes them.

Pelosi; America's new standard-bearer.
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The fact that you claim her position vis-a-vis China and Tibet is new demonstrates the depth and breadth of the gap in your understanding of US politics.

Bush medal for Dalai Lama alarms China - Times Online
CNN.com - Dalai Lama and Bush meet 'like old friends' - May 23, 2001
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/wo...766&ei=5087%0A

Hmmm. Meetings with the Dali Lama dating back 7 years. Sure is a good thing Nancy Pelosi is setting a "new" standard, eh?



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It certainly is. If any differences were to be discerned I'd say it was pressure of hugs exerted upon the Israel Lobby, relatives of the Israel Lobby, friends of Israel Lobby relatives or even Israel Lobby relatives' friends' associates.
The course for the US is set . More of the same. This time though, far more people are aware of exactly why IEDs are exploding around the world, why individuals blow themselves up for their cause, why America wants to attack Iran and why the word of the US is now taken with a pinch of snuff.
That, I suppose, is progress of a sort.
Moon, you should have known better than anyone here that unless you ride on the Zionist horse, you cannot reach the promised lands of Presidency in America.

The question, who will better quell them without awakening them.

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Re: Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

Oh, I don't know. Zionism stinks around here due to the irrepressible ranks of the dedicated and truthful. That's a fact.

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If it was me, I'd petition Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza, and make the whole place one happy country.
And what would you do with the indigenous Palestinian inhabitants ?


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Moon, maybe you've never been to America, but this is how politics work here, you count the jews, you count the Palestinians, and you back the one that there is the most of voting in the next election.

Si Modo;
Thanks for bringing some reality to the thread.
It's an hypocrisy that can be overcome.
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Moon, maybe you've never been to America, but this is how politics work here, you count the jews, you count the Palestinians, and you back the one that there is the most of voting in the next election.

Si Modo;
Thanks for bringing some reality to the thread.



It's an hypocrisy that can be overcome.
Representative democracy: yeah, moon, we know you can't stand it. You like "e-democracy".

Thanks again to Goober for some reality.
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Representative democracy: yeah, moon, we know you can't stand it. You like "e-democracy"
'Representative' democracy has failed to represent. You can either see that, or you can't. America needs real democracy again, not the pap that is peddled in democracy's name.

Think about that when you are putting your mark against your chosen pap peddler.
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Re: Obama, O'Bomber or Oh, Bummer !! ?

To take the reality test, why not look at the issues that American voters have on their minds? I'm not real sure just where the Israel/Palestine issue stands on the list , but I've yet to hear it as a burning issue with the voters.
Some people who are not Americans (for some silly-assed reason) think that we should hold our elections in their interests..........Imagine
We've got our own set of problems to solve, ask any American. That being said, we still try to bring peace to a region that pukes up each and every attempt.
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No, America doesn't try 'to bring peace to the region' at all. America actively blocks attempts 'to bring peace to the region'. That's demonstrable. Check the UN veto list.

The economy, like the Iraq war, is a 'burning issue' with voters. Confronted with the obscene annual sums given in hand-outs to the Zionists people have no trouble at all in drawing comparisons with the semi-luxurious lifestyle of Zionists and that of the 1-in-10 Ohio residents who are currently using food stamps.

There are 40 million Americans below the poverty line.

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There are 40 million Americans below the poverty line.

Wise up.

I am willing to bet that, as an average of our pop. , this is pretty good considering.
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