I of course think you are mistaken.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

How can they be huge threat to democracy in this country ?
I really don't see it, You and others have said that they have a small viewership and getting less all the time and if thats the case how can they be a threat?
Maybe I'll just have to watch them a time or two.

That's the problem. Nobody can be trusted. How are we to know the truth when we are being constantly lied to?

The only way to be certain is by seeing it with our own eyes.

I think the best way to decide who's telling the truth is eliminating the ones who have been caught lying to us in the past.

We know the truth isn't forthcoming from Hillary, Obama has been caught several times lying his ass off just to cover his ass. CBS has been caught red-handed, CNN, MSNBC. I don't know.

I think if people would quit lying to themselves this wouldn't be going on. We've known all along what Hillary was. Now the MSM is making it crystal clear. You can't say Obama has been honest. If you do then you're in denial.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

If you're watching TV or movies chances are you're already watching them.

Their viewership is shrinking but since they own the airwaves, except for Fox News, their story gets out.

Paramount based in Hollywood owns CBS, Dreamworks, Paramount Studios, BET, CBS Radio, PBS, WB, Showtime, UPN...etc. which all fall under Viacom. Comedy Central, Logo, BET, Spike, TV Land, Nick at Nite, Nickelodeon, Noggin, The N, Nick Jr., TEENick, MTV, VH1, MTV2, CMT, MHD.

Dreamworks live action was sold to George Soros. Funny how his name keeps popping up all over the place. He currently supports Obama and funds Center for American Progress.Viacom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NBC Universal owns NBC, MSNBC, Universal Studios, NBC Asia, NBC Africa, and NBC Europe.NBC Universal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Time Warner owns CNN, CNN International, and TBS. CNN - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those three conglomerates get a lot of coverage.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

All politicians lie, I don't think you can say that any of the three running for potus have not lied to the public, it's sad but true. It's like my Grandaddy always told us, "Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see" . I've always tried to look at all sides of an issue, discount the extreams on both ends, weigh the rest and decide what I think the truth is. But to do this you have to be able to put aside your own bias and look with an open mind at all of it. Everyone can do that but not many people will do that
As far as the upcomming election, it's going to get worse. I really think it will be McCain and Obama and they will both sling mud and insults. Some of it may be real some of it will be BS. I'm registered Independant and right now none of it really bothers me, When it comes down to two then I will really start paying much more attention, try to filter out the BS and look more at the issues that concern me the most and go from there.

uhm no need to yell, I read normal print fine. Woo I think the point is, at least what mud and I commented on I believe, is, most folks think that when they turn on the news they are pretty much getting it straight absent malice, willful ignorance regards issues/persons they favor. People don't think they are watching anything slanted...that’s the issue. Its dishonest, thats all.

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Just one more question then I'm off to bed. I mean no disrespect, but you keep saying that MSM and others are lieing or not telling the truth. Where do you get your news from and how do you know that they aren't lieing. How do you figure
whats true and whats not true?

when you read the of the same incident in print and hear it from several different sources, and views, its not that difficult to suss out whats going on regading the incident(s) in question, amd whats beng missed...further, Id say the msm's biggest issue right now is omission.

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Sorry about the bold, I'm old and eyesight not as good as it used to be and normal print is sometimes hard for me too see. And sometimes I just forget it's
on bold.

I can see what you and mud are saying and I agree some people are easy to sway and don't take the time to think about what they see or hear. Then there are some that will not believe anything is wrong with whoever they support no matter how bad it may be. Then there's those that will not believe there's anything good in those they don't support.
I'll watch MSM acouple of times and see if I see the same things you do.

So if the people believe the lies of one of the two sides then they will still be voting for the same old power block that we have had for years and nothing will change.
The people of the country have a chance to do some thing.. and that would be too stand up and say enough is enough with the lies and spins.... and vote for a party that is not in power. Think of the statement that would send the media and the power block if a third party was to win either the House, Senate or even the White House...

But saddly the sheep of the country only know what they are told by the current power block and the media and go along with it and could not stand up for them selfs...

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It's a difference between stretching the truth and outright lying about your principles and core values. Saying that they all lie is no excuse to vote for them. If you catch them lying does that mean you have to vote for them anyway?

According to his own words in the book "Dreams Of My Father" Barack Obama has learned to smile in white people's faces convincingly all the while he harbors malice against them. This is the truth he hides. Obama is a racist. No doubt about that. Yet he continues to maintain that all of his associates have no influence over him. He already has said that he could no sooner reject them then he could reject his family because the "black experience" is what he is. Now he's trying to make us all believe that this means nothing. Who deserves the right to hate their fellow man more. Somehow I get the feeling that Liberals feel it's acceptable for a black man to be racist, but not a white man. Whites deserve punishment for the image we supposedly have cultivated over the history of this country, correct?

Hillary has lied so many times just trying to keep out of jail that it's difficult to count. She has always been dishonest and everybody knows it. Only now has the media started to blow way the facade that they have been maintaining for her primarily because she was their hope to get Liberalism back in the White House. Now that they feel they don't need her they're turning on her.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

I get it from everywhere. I don't get it from just one source. Then I double-check the facts that were presented with what's on record in books, newspapers, Internet, and my own experiences.

Often times the media forgets that we have memories about what has happened in the last several years and they release reports under the assumption that we're idiots and that we can't remember what happened just a few months ago.

An example of a Liberal slant is the movie Patton. When I used to watch it I thought it was a great movie about a great general who had weaknesses. I have since read biographical books about him and have come to find out that he not only was a great tactician but one of your greatest leaders.

The movie was a protest against war. They took one of our greatest military leaders and turned him into an abusive lunatic. He was nowhere near the man they portrayed him as. George C. Scott did him a great disservice.

We currently have a leader who has a few of the qualities the real General Patton possessed, General Petreaus. I've heard from people that served under him that he is one of the few leaders we have that truely leads by example. Now our lying politicians in Washington have the gall to call him a liar to his face, Hillary for one, and tell him publicly that he had better not sugar-coat his upcoming report.VOA News - Congressional Democrats Warn Petraeus, Crocker Not to Minimize Seriousness of Situation in Iraq

The nerve of these ingrates.

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"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." - Rep. Barney Frank (D)

Well I would not say he’s racist, but he displays proclivities he’s not even aware of I believe. He should try reading his own speech and squaring that with say, this-


Obama and King
By JUAN WILLIAMS
April 4, 2008; Page A13

Martin Luther King Jr. died at age 39; today, the 40th anniversary of his death, is the first time he has been gone longer than he lived.

Figures such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have tried to claim his place on the American stage. But at most they have achieved fame and wealth. What separated King from any would-be successor was his moral authority. He towered above the high walls of racial suspicion by speaking truth to all sides.


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Martin Luther King, Jr. during the march on Washington.
Now comes Barack Obama, a black man and a plausible national leader, who appeals across racial lines. But to his black and white supporters, Mr. Obama increasingly represents different things.

The initial base of support for Mr. Obama's presidential campaign came from young whites – who saw in him the ability to take the nation to a place where, to quote from King's "I Have A Dream" speech, "we shall be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood."

Black voters rallied to Mr. Obama after whites in Iowa and New Hampshire showed they were willing to vote for him. Mr. Obama spoke directly to charges that he was not "black enough," that he was not a child of the civil rights movement because he grew up in Hawaii and has an Ivy League education, that he is too young, it is not his time, and even that his campaign is too risky because white racists might kill him.

Mr. Obama, his wife Michelle and supporters such as Oprah Winfrey make the case to black voters that he is the fruit of the struggles of King and others. They argue that this generation of black Americans does not have to wait for their turn to reach for the ultimate political power of the presidency.

Mr. Obama has carried a message of pride and self-sufficiency to black voters nationwide, who have rewarded him with support reaching 80% and higher. His candidacy has become, as the headline on Ebony magazine put it, a matter of having a black man as president "In Our Lifetime."

Among his white supporters, race is coincidental, not central, to his political identity. Mr. Obama is to them the candidate who personifies the promise of equal opportunity for all. But as black support has become central to his victories, this idealistic view has been increasingly at war with the portrayal, crafted by the senator to win black support, of him as the black candidate. The terrible tension between these racially distinct views now surrounds and threatens his campaign.

So far, Mr. Obama has been content to let black people have their vision of him while white people hold to a separate, segregated reality. He is a politician and, unlike King, his goal is winning votes, not changing hearts. Still, it is a key break from the King tradition to sell different messages to different audiences based on race, and to fail to challenge racial divisions in the nation.

Mr. Obama's major speech on race last month was forced from him only after a political crisis erupted: It became widely known that he'd sat for 20 years in the pews of a church where Rev. Jeremiah Wright lashed out at white people. The minister cursed America as worthy of damnation, made lewd suggestions about the nature of President Clinton's relationship with black voters, and embraced the paranoid idea that the white government was spreading AIDS among black people.


Here is where the racial tension at the heart of Mr. Obama's campaign flared into view. He either shared these beliefs or, lacking good judgment, decided it politically expedient for an ambitious young black politician trying to prove his solidarity with all things black, to be associated with these rants. His judgment and leadership on the critical issue of race is in question.

While speaking to black people, King never condescended to offer Rev. Wright-style diatribes or conspiracy theories. He did not paint black people as victims. To the contrary, he spoke about black people as American patriots who believed in the democratic ideals of the country, in nonviolence and the Judeo-Christian ethic, even as they overcame slavery, discrimination and disadvantage. King challenged white America to do the same, to live up to their ideals and create racial unity. He challenged white Christians, asking them how they could treat their fellow black Christians as anything but brothers in Christ.

When King spoke about the racist past, he gloried in black people beating the odds to win equal rights by arming "ourselves with dignity and self-respect." He expressed regret that some black leaders reveled in grievance, malice and self-indulgent anger in place of a focus on strong families, education and love of God. Even in the days before Congress passed civil rights laws, King spoke to black Americans about the pride that comes from "assuming primary responsibility" for achieving "first class citizenship."

Last March in Selma, Ala., Mr. Obama appeared on the verge of breaking away from the merchants of black grievance and victimization. At a commemoration of the 1965 Selma-to-Montgomery march for voting rights, he spoke in a King-like voice. He focused on traditions of black sacrifice, idealism and the need for taking personal responsibility for building strong black families and communities. He said black people should never "deny that its gotten better," even as the movement goes on to improve schools and provide good health care for all Americans. He then challenged black America, by saying that "government alone can't solve all those problems . . . it is not enough just to ask what the government can do for us -- it's important for us to ask what we can do for ourselves."

Mr. Obama added that better education for black students begins with black parents visiting their children's teachers, as well as turning off the television so children can focus on homework. He expressed alarm over the lack of appreciation for education in the black community: "I don't know who taught them that reading and writing and conjugating your verbs were something white. We've got to get over that mentality." King, he added later, believed that black America has to first "transform ourselves in order to transform the world."

But as his campaign made headway with black voters, Mr. Obama no longer spoke about the responsibility and the power of black America to appeal to the conscience and highest ideals of the nation. He no longer asks black people to let go of the grievance culture to transcend racial arguments and transform the world.

He has stopped all mention of government's inability to create strong black families, while the black community accepts a 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate. Half of black and Hispanic children drop out of high school, but he no longer touches on the need for parents to convey a love of learning to their children. There is no mention in his speeches of the history of expensive but ineffective government programs that encourage dependency. He fails to point out the failures of too many poverty programs, given the 25% poverty rate in black America.

And he chooses not to confront the poisonous "thug life" culture in rap music that glorifies drug use and crime.

Instead the senator, in a full political pander, is busy excusing Rev. Wright's racial attacks as the right of the Rev.-Wright generation of black Americans to define the nation's future by their past. He stretches compassion to the breaking point by equating his white grandmother's private concerns about black men on the street with Rev. Wright's public stirring of racial division.

And he wasted time in his Philadelphia speech on race by saying he can't "disown" Rev. Wright any more than he could "disown the black community." No one has asked him to disown Rev. Wright. Only in a later appearance on "The View" television show did he say that he would have left the church if Rev. Wright had not retired and not acknowledged his offensive language.

As the nation tries to recall the meaning of Martin Luther King today, Mr. Obama's campaign has become a mirror reflecting where we are on race 40 years after the assassination. Mr. Obama's success has moved forward the story of American race relations; King would have been thrilled with his political triumphs.

But when Barack Obama, arguably the best of this generation of black or white leaders, finds it easy to sit in Rev. Wright's pews and nod along with wacky and bitterly divisive racial rhetoric, it does call his judgment into question. And it reveals a continuing crisis in racial leadership.

What would Jesus do? There is no question he would have left that church.

Obama and King - WSJ.com

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"They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government. " - Speech at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia (April 30th, 1967)

"And who are we supporting in Vietnam today? It's a man by the name of General Ky, who fought with the French against his own people, and who said on one occasion that the greatest hero of his life is Hitler. This is who we're supporting in Vietnam today. Oh, our government, and the press generally, won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell you this morning. The truth must be told." - Speech at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia (April 30th, 1967)

"Don't let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America "you are too arrogant, and if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God. Men will beat their swords into plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war anymore." I don't know about you, I ain't going to study war anymore."
- Address to the SCLC (August 16th, 1967)

"When the Constitution was written, a strange formula to determine taxes and representation declared that the Negro was sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula seems to declare that he is fifty percent of a person. Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those of whites. of the bad things of life, he has twice those of whites. Thus half of all Negroes live in substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites. When we view the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a double share. There are twice as many unemployed. The rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double that of whites and there are twice as many Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion to their size in the population." - Address to the SCLC (August 16th, 1967)

Martin Luther King, Jr. said some controversial things in his day. He espoused semi-conspiratorial theories about race relations in this country, and it wouldn't have been surprising to see him say things that resembled the words of Reverend Wright. Martin Luther King Jr. was a much better man than Jeremiah Wright, but not because King avoided conspiracy and controversy in his speeches. King said a number of things that shocked America and caused him to fall out of favor with the mainstream community. After his speech on Vietnam, King fell out of the annual list of 10 most-admired Americans. He was disinvited from attending an event at the White House. If he had been the pastor of a presidential candidate, I have no doubt he would have been given the same treatment that Wright got over the past month.

I know people say the MLK-Wright comparisons are unfair, but that's just a cop-out. The point is that they were both religious leaders whose messages shouldn't be minimized into 30-second clips on YouTube and MSBNC. If we spoke nothing of Dr. King but the quotes cited above, I imagine the public perception of him wouldn't be much different from that of Rev. Wright.

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