Originally Posted by RFK1968

"They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government. " - Speech at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia (April 30th, 1967)

"And who are we supporting in Vietnam today? It's a man by the name of General Ky, who fought with the French against his own people, and who said on one occasion that the greatest hero of his life is Hitler. This is who we're supporting in Vietnam today. Oh, our government, and the press generally, won't tell us these things, but God told me to tell you this morning. The truth must be told." - Speech at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia (April 30th, 1967)

"Don't let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America "you are too arrogant, and if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God. Men will beat their swords into plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war anymore." I don't know about you, I ain't going to study war anymore."
- Address to the SCLC (August 16th, 1967)

"When the Constitution was written, a strange formula to determine taxes and representation declared that the Negro was sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula seems to declare that he is fifty percent of a person. Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those of whites. of the bad things of life, he has twice those of whites. Thus half of all Negroes live in substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites. When we view the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a double share. There are twice as many unemployed. The rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double that of whites and there are twice as many Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion to their size in the population." - Address to the SCLC (August 16th, 1967)

Martin Luther King, Jr. said some controversial things in his day. He espoused semi-conspiratorial theories about race relations in this country, and it wouldn't have been surprising to see him say things that resembled the words of Reverend Wright. Martin Luther King Jr. was a much better man than Jeremiah Wright, but not because King avoided conspiracy and controversy in his speeches. King said a number of things that shocked America and caused him to fall out of favor with the mainstream community. After his speech on Vietnam, King fell out of the annual list of 10 most-admired Americans. He was disinvited from attending an event at the White House. If he had been the pastor of a presidential candidate, I have no doubt he would have been given the same treatment that Wright got over the past month.

I know people say the MLK-Wright comparisons are unfair, but that's just a cop-out. The point is that they were both religious leaders whose messages shouldn't be minimized into 30-second clips on YouTube and MSBNC. If we spoke nothing of Dr. King but the quotes cited above, I imagine the public perception of him wouldn't be much different from that of Rev. Wright.

Originally Posted by Imperator

Not exactly, I have read many of the quotes you have posted. I don't see him playing so much to theatre as the overall value of his message transcends ready quotes etc. So to could wrights, when you get to a quote where in king espouses black nationalism, indicting his country of willful destruction and accusing it ( though it did Tuskegee etc.) of willful infections by hiv, drugs etc. as a systemic prgm to destroy black people I'd be interested in seeing that. The overall message is- judge me as a man, not a black man, and we need to uplift ourselves, blaming one another or the white man is ot a worthy form of advance nor does it in the end help.

Juan Williams is black, this is his take, so I take that into account as I take reverends etc. whom sppt. wright as well.

Originally Posted by Si modo

As Hillary didn't serve in the military, I am confused by the title.

Anything the MSM prints or broadcasts about Hillary, she it brought on herself. Relative to politicians and their lies, she is on the pathological edge, IMO.

Originally Posted by Oreo

It's much more than the sniper fire. If you have watched these programs a notable bias exists. For the unknowing, these programs can influence people one way or another.

Journalism is supposed to be un-biased.

Originally Posted by Si modo

times out of Unfortunately, journalism is no longer unbiased. If I read an article or watch the news, 99 times out of 100 I see editorialization.

Originally Posted by Si modo

As Hillary didn't serve in the military, I am confused by the title.

Anything the MSM prints or broadcasts about Hillary, she it brought on herself. Relative to politicians and their lies, she is on the pathological edge, IMO.

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Swiftboating was used to explain a method of destroying a candidate's credibility by gathering 'false' testimony from folks who knew the candidate personally. It is a term the media and Democrats made popular. It shouldn't be a term taken literally where the military is concerned. Before the term used was "Being Borked" or being smeared.

It's rather ironic that Hillary is getting her own medicine from a media that put her on the map in the first place. Without their help she would not be a Senator and would not be a top candidate for President. Without help from the media she wouldn't even be a consideration for office because the media helped her look Presidential in the first place. Now, because she's muddying the Democrat's Presidential nomination process, she is being attacked by them.

It puts in prospective all of the attacks that have been made against Republicans all these years.

In the words of Rock Star Moby after the 2000 election; "We can destroy Bush. If we can't find enough dirt to do this it wouldn't be very hard to just make a bunch of stuff up".

Originally Posted by Oreo

Agreed--but I have to admit--I never thought that these normally liberal news stations would attack a Clinton!

I'll bet Bill or Hillary would have never dreamed of this also. Plus they have people like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, & the worst of all Bill Richardson going over to Obama. Lots of once die hard supporters have turned their backs on them.

It must be a shock!

Originally Posted by Si modo

[Emphasis mine] I suspected as much: It's a specific situation to a specific candidate, yet it becomes a generalized term for dirty politics to minimize that actual origin of the term, I suppose.

Originally Posted by mudwhistle

Ever noticed how a person who loses a Presidential bid they become damaged goods?

With Democrats your career is just about history if you lose. Al Gore is the only one who is even being considered for another run, but that is because of his Global Warming hoax. Funny how the guy who screamed "HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS" is now doing the same and making millions doing it.

John Kerry is done, and Hillary will be as well.

Liberals keep coming up with these marginal characters.

John Kerry looks and sound pathetic now. He wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the face.

Al Gore, who is still in the closet, came up with this Global Warming thing and was pretty effective at doing it. Forget the fact that the main reason for climate changes is the Sun, the movement of tectonic plates, and ocean currents, not man made greenhouse gases.

Obama in a reasonable world would be toast for his associations with known racists.

Now Hillary is being totally exposed for the Bull Shitter that she has always been.

Originally Posted by Si modo

Yeah, Gore hasn't been in the news much lately. I did not notice that until you mentioned it. Hmmmm.

I agree with many of your points, yet have to say the APG is still a question yet to be answered. If we can keep the politics out of it, maybe we will eventually get an answer.