Looks like it will be a 55-45 Clinton victory. Congrats to her. She isnt done yet. But she is hurting her party badly, and is only making her position less desirable in the future with her attacks.

Am I the only one who views her campaign as a sunken boat where you are in your float coat but hypothermia is setting in?

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They're making a good point on Charlie Rose. After more than a year of campaigning these two candidates are getting close to complete exhaustion. And if the fight continues into June there will be no time at all to catch their breath, determine an election strategy, and get ready for mcain.

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Goober do you still agree with the notion that your party's base still love your candidates? Granted you seem happier with yours than we did with ours but still....

PA demographics was heavily Hillary country--older voters who abhor change, party loyalists for over 25 years who 'owe' the Clintons. And a 10 point victory is not a big victory for Clinton.

Remember, even before Rev. Wright issue blew up, Clinton was ahead by 20+ points.

%10 percent margin will bring Hillary 15 more delegates, which cannot be called quite a victory. She needed to do better than that.

I believe Obama has got what he wanted from PA. He made Hillary spend huge amounts of money in a state where she had been a fave already. Now she is really broke and bankrupt. And after 40+ million dollars in May, Obama has gathered another 40+ million dollars in April. If he wins big in NC and a tie in IN-- then Hillary will have no other option but buy superdelegates with less popular votes.

Which she may well do, which still means your guy loses....

Then ours will be an oligarchy, sadly.

Well it may also be just desserts if she is the one who has the popular vote total, weren't all your party bitching about that in 2000?

A basic rule of politics:

People are, by and large, followers. We like to be lead and feel uncomfortable if someone isn't telling us how to feel, how to act, how to vote. We are extremely social primates and need to be part of a group. This is why solitary confinement is used as a way to torture.

Karl Rove, Michael Penn, and all of the political strategists, and many of us, know this well. However, to use this as leverage over the group at large to gain a political edge for a limited few (ie. fear campaign, shock and awe style rhetoric) is what is at the very heart of that which can destroy a nation.

Why would Obama be pissed as you say? He lost by a good margin although nobody campaigned there. With his money and the way he could saturate the airways he might just overturn that result. Since he lost the first time, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Of course he could lose again and this time the votes would count. That could be a problem for him.

HRC survived yet another day, barely. There will be little time for celebration, though as time and money are running out. Clinton now faces a dwindling number of contests, and she's at a steep financial disadvantage.

The dynamics of the race are the same as they've been for more than two months. Obama is the front-runner and Hillary can't catch up. It's over whenever she's man enough to admit it!

Oh, the Hillary Campaign is a sunken boat alright, and one that may take the DNC down with it. I mean face it, she has no money, and has absolutely no chance besides the superdelegates. As for Florida & Michigan, I seriously doubt anything is going to be done about these two states, mostly because the DNC would take a major blow as far as their tooting their horn about fair elections go (which will hurt them during the General. Seeing as nobody wants to pay to have a recount, so that only leaves keeping the original results of an election that the populous were told didn't matter). Of course maybe I'm wrong, but I think if something was going to be done it would of been done by now.

In my opinion, Hillary is the least viable candidate of the two, and should fall on her sword if the DNC wants a chance to win the White House. Like I said, she has no money, and of the two the least credibility. Obama simply has a better chance of going to against McCain at this place and time. Of course, this is just as an observer who hasn't yet made up his mind on who he'll be voting for come election day.

I have one question here, do we still have democratic elections? How in any intelligent form do you disenfranchise voters because the local state government makes an unauthorized date change on a National election? The second question i have is why do the peoples votes not count individually today, we see the electoral process is not able to function as in the bush Fla. election not too many years back. Maybe we need a super computer to run common sense over the whole process, it seems man is incapable of doing what is glaringly right

In 2000 he claims to have voted republican........

hey, the Dems wanted a proportional system, they got one and it is now at their peril......they wanted to make sure that a McGovern would never have the chance to ‘hold the party hostage’ again, so they created the super delegate system…..and here we are.


they forgot Lincolns maxim; you cannot please all the people all the time and you would be well advised not to try.




And for you folks that keep saying she should get out, she’s sunk etc. etc. etc….they created they system with just this event in mind, only, now they never envisioned it would eviscerate the party AND their pride and joy- their guilt driven wet dream, a minority candidate.
She is in fact playing by the rules they set up, until the super delegates move to Obama, and give him an insurmountable lead by virtue of that allegiance, she has a perfect right to hang around. And to add to that, even if they did, they could always change their minds, until their allegiance is annotated and registered at the convention. They are now only “pledged”, not contractually bound.

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But that is a very real and possible chance.

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