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iamwhatiseem · #16 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Tim

Really?

And do you think this is going to shut Wright's very big mouth?

The genie is out of the bottle. The horse has left the stable. Choose your own metaphor.

Wright is now a bona fide celebrity. Insulting him and densoucing him is like catnip: he is just starting his one-man show.

no doubt Wright is going to fire back...he has too much at stake (getting paid $10,000 - $50,000 for speaking arrangements) to let Obama knock him out like that.

I have no doubt Wright is hearing advise from two sides - the racist side, and the common sense side...either way you are quite correct that Wright can get a bouquet of microphones in front of him any day/ any time he wants.

Tim · #17 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

Well, I just saw this so I am still the paranoid schemer I was a while back in the last thread sppting Obama and, well true to form, I have to ask;
-so, this is what it took? The man he would not disown is now disowned?
“Tonight, you will disown me 3 times before the cock crows”. lol
-There was nothing wrong a month ago with what he said…but now there is?
-He never knew this guy was like this after a 20 year relationship, or whats more that it is obvious this guy really has been saying this stuff for years?
- Do folks still believe Obama never heard any, of what’s becoming a growing list of statements that, lets say, are not in tune with Obamas “message”

Last but not least, he better hope wright doesn’t get really wild on him, if he has some skeletons, real skeletons etc….one would think not or Obama would not have basically kissed him off like this, but you never know, being a politician is a constant juggle between fishing and cutting bait, cutting losses etc…he may have figured wright could not really harm him anymore than he can now so what the heck, get ahead early and squeeze what advantage there is to be had…..it looks like he learned after his first go round 5 weeks ago, he should have just did it then…but he wanted to try and remain pristine…..well there goes that.

Yes.

In March, Obama had the chance to say what he said today. His words were eloquent and impressive, but I have no idea whether or not they are true.

He is denouncing a man who now stands between him and the White House. That has finally become clear to him and his campaign.

But this means a break with twenty years. TWENTY YEARS. In one day? He suddenly discovers the words of his mentor and advisor and spiritual leader are not merely wrong, but disgraceful? After all those sermons, with his children in the pew? After the book dedication and the role of advisor to his campaign?

Shrewd and slick - a leaf out of the Clinton or the Bush book. Obama is learning. But he learned his lesson very late. Perhaps too late.

Tim · #18 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

no doubt Wright is going to fire back...he has too much at stake (getting paid $10,000 - $50,000 for speaking arrangements) to let Obama knock him out like that.

I have no doubt Wright is hearing advise from two sides - the racist side, and the common sense side...either way you are quite correct that Wright can get a bouquet of microphones in front of him any day/ any time he wants.

Absolutely, and he is obviously shameless.

Obama is not responsible for Wright's words - but in a sense, he himself has created a monster by allowing to fester in the laboratory, not grasping how this creepy thug would appear to the general public. Now he is running amok.

All of this has indicated that Obama is an inexperienced and out-of-touch politician who is extraordinarily tone deaf. It also indicates that his choice of friends, mentors and associates (including Ayers) reflects a taste for the dangerous fringe of the radical left.

He is not even 50 yet. If he had waited a few years and not listened to the fawning, squealing, star-struck leftist media groupies who were fainting at his feet, he might have addressed all of this BEFORE it got out of hand. But he rose to the top without a problem, like a hot air balloon.

Doctor Who · #19 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

Imperator is right on this one. I posted in another thread that Wright made one statement that was correct. Wright has to say what he has to say as a pastor and Obama has to say what he has to say as a politician.

The whole, "I denounce him...blah blah blah" is bogus. Nothing has changed. Wright hasn't said anything different now than he did. And ulitmately, we saw what Wright is really like in the Moyers interview and at the NPC. That is Wright and I do not believe for one second that he is or has been any different when he is around Obama. Completely disingenuous...bottom line.

Imperator · #20 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Doctor Who

Imperator is right on this one. I posted in another thread that Wright made one statement that was correct. Wright has to say what he has to say as a pastor and Obama has to say what he has to say as a politician.
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yes and that’s the line that really hit the gong, I have no issue with obama other than his platforms, he’s free to pander all he likes, I get that.
Parachuting into some venue that’s shaky is one thing, take your checks, press the flesh and move out smartly.
But, this is different, and that really what this is all about. Not that he sat there for 20 years, but why. He needed the street cred. as a “black” man, Ipso facto, he is no different from any other politician only more untested and unvetted, and with a Wright problem, which he should have punctured the balloon on back in 04 when all the hoopla started after his speech. Unless of course he really doesn’t see or didn’t see anything wrong with Wright and his proselytizing then, and that’s a whole other issue.
A fatal miss, unfortunately, he’s paying for it now.

Alex · #21 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

Two words: POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY.

Nuff said

Si modo · #22 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Alex

Two words: POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY.

Nuff said

Exactly. Wright was an influence in the 13th district, BO and he were buddies, and BO got what he wanted...a win.

Now, the demographics of potential voters for BO has changed, thus, so has BO.

It pays to be a a talented cameleon when running for a high office (and, I mean that in the figurative sense...just to be clear).

Lost Soul · #23 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

Just another rat jumping ship. Obama did what best for Obama. I don't think for one second this has changed how Obama believes or feels about white America. HE knew if he didn't jump ship he was going down with the ship. Everyone must remember, Obama is a politician first and every else second. Nothing matters more than him winning power. Just another character flaw been exposed. After 20 years of following Wright, Obama now throws him under the bus to save his own ass.

O'Sullivan Bere · #24 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Imperator

. . . Not that he sat there for 20 years, but why. . . .

It's actually not all that uncommon for people to misjudge pastors. The religious advantage of clergy certainly helps. Some of the well loved pastors in my high school were alot worse than him, e.g.:

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Priest Pleads No Contest in Assault Case
The Former Malvern Prep Teacher Was Charged with Intoxicating and Then Having Sex with His Student

By Jonathan Gelb
Philadelphia Inquirer
January 8, 2003

A priest who worked at the Malvern Preparatory School in Chester County pleaded no contest yesterday to sexually assaulting his 14-year-old student at a cabin in the Poconos in 1991.

. . .

Father Cochrane taught Bible studies for 24 years at the exclusive Chester County school that draws students from the entire Philadelphia region.

"We just wish the best for Father Cochrane and everyone involved," Headmaster James Stewart said yesterday.

. . .

"I just denied it," the student, whose name is being withheld by The Inquirer because of the nature of the crime, said in 1999. "That this so-called friend could do this to me - I just did not want to accept that it happened. I am 100 percent sure he did it."

Monroe County prosecutors said they have evidence that Father Cochrane perpetrated a similar crime in 1990 with a second student at Malvern Prep who was 15 at the time. Charges have not been brought in that case because the statute of limitations has run out.

In both cases, prosecutors say, the students were freshmen in Father Cochrane's religion class. They were both given enough alcohol to become intoxicated and they both allege that Father Cochrane engaged in a sex act with them. Prosecutors say the priest was a "religious role model" to both students.

. . .

Priest Pleads No Contest in Assault Case The Former Malvern Prep Teacher Was Charged with Intoxicating and Then Having Sex with His Student, by Jonathan Gelb, Philadelphia Inquirer, January 8, 2003

Heck, my old school had a building dedicated to this different guy below after he died, and I'm surprised there is still a decades-old requiem for him that I found online praising his 'good works' even though it came to light a few years ago that he was an avid paedophile and died without ever being called out for his crimes:

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. . .

Father Charles Knapp proved to be a fine educator, a compassionate confessor, an insightful advisor and a true friend. The following selection from his poetry captures the depth of his wisdom.

“Go – ask not of the quiet and the well
But of the ones who agonize
What wholeness is; the fallen only
Can tell what it means to rise.
To know of friendship – ask the lonely;
Go ask the ones who broke and ran
What courage is; not those who stood;
For those who went beyond their strength
Alone can tell the message of
The heart’s capacities, the length
To which despair may go… or love.”

Father Knapp followed the careers of the graduates, who had nicknamed him “Knapper,” and had witnessed more than 300 of their weddings. His understanding of students was shared by the homilist at the Mass of Christian Burial, who said, “His sense of and respect for the values of the young led him an unceasing quest to understand their culture, to share their labors, to probe their frustrations, to employ their gifts – in order to direct them to a full appreciation of the majesty of God and the life-changing meanings of the words, “God loves me.”

. . .

Augustinians, Province of Saint Thomas of Villanova

Miscreantgnomie · #25 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

I think the damage is done and clearly a huge turning point in the campaign. I was counting Hillary out til now.

Now he will get the scrutiny all candidates normally get as people are not so beguiled and enamored by his god like presence.

wooyarn · #26 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Miscreantgnomie

I think the damage is done and clearly a huge turning point in the campaign. I was counting Hillary out til now.

Now he will get the scrutiny all candidates normally get as people are not so beguiled and enamored by his god like presence.

Looks to me that he's been getting a lot more scrutiny then the other two for quit a while now. I'm supprised someone hasn't tried to find out if he folds or crumples

Pogo · #27 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by CorpMediaSux

There is a very good chance black voters will see this as Uncle Tomism, it just goes to show you can not please both white and black voters in this country. So upsetting.

Yeah, I'd say Obama's in full Uncle Tom mode.

For 20 years he was perfectly comfortable at Trinity, but now that he's catching flak, he's outraged. Bullshit.

TSGracchus · #28 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

He's "outraged" 'cause Wright is going behind his back, drawing attention to himself, and generally being a pain in the ass. Hell, I'd be outraged, too!

Probably if Wright had kept quiet he wouldn't have seen any need to do this.

Pogo · #29 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Tim

Absolutely, and he is obviously shameless.

Obama is not responsible for Wright's words - but in a sense, he himself has created a monster by allowing to fester in the laboratory, not grasping how this creepy thug would appear to the general public. Now he is running amok.

"Creepy thug"?

Pogo · #30 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008

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Originally Posted by TSGracchus

He's "outraged" 'cause Wright is going behind his back, drawing attention to himself, and generally being a pain in the ass. Hell, I'd be outraged, too!

Probably if Wright had kept quiet he wouldn't have seen any need to do this.

Yeah, Wright's being a royal pain in the ass, but what's the value of the presidency if you have to mortgage your integrity to attain it?

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