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Old 05-08-2008
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Re: Working Class Vote

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Being new here you will have to put up with Johnny K for awhile....I just laugh at him.

BTW, welcome.
thanks...i like the forum format.
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Old 05-08-2008
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You do realize Obama admitted using cocaine in his book and it's been suggested by numerous sources that he might have sold it at one point don't you?

Does this mean you're going to start referring to him as cokehead Obama?
Rush "Druggie" Limpdick is a convicted drug offender felon. Period.
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Rush "Druggie" Limpdick is a convicted drug offender felon. Period.
How compassionate of you.
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Old 05-08-2008
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I wonder if what you're saying about working-class people voting against candidates perceived as intellectual is actually true. Could that not be a distortion caused by looking only at recent history? I'll grant you that Bush comes across as a regular guy even though he's not one, but surely everyone knew Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and a very clever fellow, and if there was ever a candidate who screamed "money" out of every pore, it was Bush the elder. Reagan? He was a movie star fercryinoutloud! How "regular guy" can that be?

I suppose you could say that Carter came across like a regular guy. Nixon sure didn't though, nor Johnson, and of course to suggest that about JFK is just silly.

I don't think that dog will hunt, honestly.
What do they call it, there is a term for shaking hands and kissing babies. "Retail Politics". That's it. Bush Sr won because Dukakis was an idiot and a dufus. That's the only exception. Carter won because he reminded people that there was still a core of decency and tact in the nation that had gone buried for awhile.

I don't think most people knew that Clinton was a rhodes scholar. And for those who did know, they are the educated. Clinton was one of the best retail politicians ever, with a public mask that is dripping in working class values, but with a brain that is one of the most intellectual of all presidents.

This whole election in November is going to come down to those blue-collar voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. They tend to vote conservative over bullshit issues like "Obama will take away your guns" or "Obama likes gays", or "Obama isn't very religious and his pastor is a weirdo". That stuff unfortunately sticks with these people, just look at 2004. The working class voters who stuck with Bush twice have nothing to show for it but tripled gas prices and more federal employees now working to evict these people than to work out their mortgages.
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We wouldn't want our doctor or a surgeon to be the type who "sounds the way we do", so why is this now the litmus test for picking a President? And don't tell me it isn't.
I don't think you are not applying the word properly here in the comparison. An elite doctor has proven that they are among the best at what they do as does an elite athlete. In the case of politicians and Obama particularly, it means they think they know better than anyone else and the average Joe just doesn't know what is best for him. "He holds on to tight to his gun and religion to understand the real problems we are facing in America." That sounds elitist to me, I don't know about you.
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Old 05-08-2008
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Again, what I'm saying is, in America, why is so bad to be seen as an elite politician? What does it say about national character that regular people are so offended by someone who might be just a little notch above their everyday ignorance that they call them a snob the minute they learn that someone else might be smarter than them?
Spoken like a true condescending, out of touch liberal!

Has it occured to you that when people refer to the "elite" they are referring to a class of people who presume to know what is better for everyone else, and to understand other people better than they understand themselves, and who implicityly look down on them in the process?

Saying that wearing a flag pin is a SUBSTITUTE for "real" patriotism; people "cling" to their guns and religion out of bitterness. These statements were not only presumptious, but disdainful.

Then there is his wife, who has told us that: "we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."

Has it occured to you that they are disliked because they clearly look down upon those who are not as wonderful as they perceive themselves to be?
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Re: Working Class Vote

Let's keep on topic folks, I have deleted a few posts and I don't want to come back.
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As per usual, Rush "Druggie" Limpdick is talking out of his ass.
Move along folks, nothing left to see hear, just the usual lib compassion and tolerance on display, boorish no matter their politics or personal views imho… cause you don't agree with the guys politics, you whack him like that?
I draw the line at beating up on someones afflictions, like alcoholism, etc. I guess its fair game in your view eh?...okey doke....
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Spoken like a true condescending, out of touch liberal!

Has it occured to you that when people refer to the "elite" they are referring to a class of people who presume to know what is better for everyone else, and to understand other people better than they understand themselves, and who implicityly look down on them in the process?

Saying that wearing a flag pin is a SUBSTITUTE for "real" patriotism; people "cling" to their guns and religion out of bitterness. These statements were not only presumptious, but disdainful.

Then there is his wife, who has told us that: "we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."

Has it occured to you that they are disliked because they clearly look down upon those who are not as wonderful as they perceive themselves to be?
Excellent summation Marcus!
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Only in America is being an "elite" politician a bad thing.
Elitist.

Not elite.

Big difference.

Like the difference between race and racist.
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How compassionate of you.
Yessir, I have the same amount of compassion for him that he's always shown to others.

And BTW:

Welcome to the forum!
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Old 05-08-2008
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Re: Working Class Vote

Jason: You have been here for more than four years and have more than 3000 posts, and they always come down to the same thing:
  • Americans are stupid;
  • Americans are fools;
  • the unwashed American masses don't deserve.....*fill in the blank with some left-wing politican or celebrity*
  • only in America could...... *fill in the blank with some terrible thing*
  • The same patronizing, world weary tone.
  • The same tormented truth-teller routine.
  • The same anguished prophet posture.


Ye gods, man, find a new shtick. This one is as old as the hills.
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Rush "Druggie" Limpdick is a convicted drug offender felon. Period.

I would like to see you to prove that. Rush has never been convicted of drugs charges.

So Johnny K either you can prove your statement then correct yourself or be known for someone that use put false info out there just to attack someone you dont like and who makes liberals look like fools.
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I would like to see you to prove that. Rush has never been convicted of drugs charges.

So Johnny K either you can prove your statement then correct yourself or be known for someone that use put false info out there just to attack someone you dont like and who makes liberals look like fools.
So its now the rightwing who want someone to be convicted before they can be spoken bad about...Do I really need to bring up old OJ threads? The door swings both ways. Dont stand in the way or it bangs off your forehead.
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So its now the rightwing who want someone to be convicted before they can be spoken bad about...Do I really need to bring up old OJ threads? The door swings both ways. Dont stand in the way or it bangs off your forehead.
Can you show me where I have posted anything about OJ?

And talk about hypocrisy....didnt you liberals have Delay guilty before the first hearing?

That must be a hell of a knot on YOUR forehead.

BTW, no has yet posted anything showing where Rush was convicted felon as Johnny K posted. If you are going to spout off at least bring the facts with you.
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