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Old 05-12-2008
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Re: Barack, The Unstoppable

Tim, I wonder what you're going to think after the election, since you've consistently claimed that nobody but a "far-leftist" would vote for Obama. Seems to me you're going to come to the painful conclusion that an awful lot of Americans are on the far left. Just try to keep it in perspective, and don't do anything rash.
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Old 05-12-2008
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Re: Barack, The Unstoppable

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What would you like to hear from Barack's fanatical supporters? His whole policy agenda? It is on sale in amazon.com.

One short answer: Barack will do just the opposite W has been doing for the past 8 years.

Who cares if Barack does not listen to few of you?
Who cares if Obama doesn't listen to the people he wants to rule, you mean. You can't just disregard people when they disagree with your most deeply held beliefs. Obama's biggest weaknesses are his supporters.
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Re: Barack, The Unstoppable

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Tim, I wonder what you're going to think after the election, since you've consistently claimed that nobody but a "far-leftist" would vote for Obama. Seems to me you're going to come to the painful conclusion that an awful lot of Americans are on the far left. Just try to keep it in perspective, and don't do anything rash.
I have acknowleged several times that this left-wing hot air balloon may well win. Many people are desperate to have someone tell them what to think and how to live. There is a lot of fear and uncertainty and the power of a left-wing pied piper with a gift for windy oratory and the unquestioning worship of most of the media cannot be underestimated.

Meanwhile, while you are preparing for your victory, you might at least start addressing what Obama's policies will do to the country.

I don't want to upset you and your fellow worshipers. Cults are notoriously opposed to rational thinking and anyone who dares to question has no place.

But this is an election, after all, not a secular worship service. I know that all of you respond to the demands for hard facts with thin-skinned hurt feelings or more hysterics about "hope" and "love" and "change". But surely at least a few thoughts might find a place in this lush, fatuous, greeting-card world?
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Old 05-12-2008
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Re: Barack, The Unstoppable

I have taken a good hard look at the electoral college map and to me it shows a very close race. If things go as expected and the normal Democratic states vote that way with the republicans doing the same this thing could go 259-259 with Ohio and it's 20 electoral votes once again deciding this election. There are a number of swing states of course, more so than the last two elections but if they vote as they have historically it will be once again Ohio that tells the tale. So, nobody is unstoppable, certainly not Obama since the Democrats lost Ohio in the last two elections. Clinton carried it twice before that but Reagan and Bush One also won Ohio.
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Hillary won't be in the election against Obama in November, which is what he was talking about. It's very possible that WV will go for Obama against McCain, although you're right that it won't against Clinton. WV went for the Democrat in 1988, 1992, and 1996, and was close in 2000 and 2004. Very possible, likely even if this election is the blowout I'm expecting.
WV will NOT vote for Obama. Not in this primary and not in November. If Obana is nominated WV will go to McCain.
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WV will NOT vote for Obama. Not in this primary and not in November. If Obana is nominated WV will go to McCain.
That very well may be the case. However, it is Obama's job to get himself to WV more often to explain himself and show some 'face time.' In this primary and the last election, WV is a glaring example where fearmongering disinformation can often win the day. As reported, myths such as Obama being a closet Muslim and other gutter smears abound. If he doesn't show up, then those smears and characterisations will prevail.

This happened in the last election in WV with Kerry too. He was ahead until smearmongers started posting, pasting and spreading alarmist nonsense about Kerry wanting to ban the Bible and all guns, etc. Just like the Swifties, Kerry foolishly ignored it thinking the voters would figure it out as nonsense. Instead, the voters took the smears as a concession of their truth, and he lost.

It's folly to assume voters will overlook smear as just that, or to think that voters can't be corrected from it. Politicians should always react and define themselves at all times and speak right to the people.
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That very well may be the case. However, it is Obama's job to get himself to WV more often to explain himself and show some 'face time.' In this primary and the last election, WV is a glaring example where fearmongering disinformation can often win the day. As reported, myths such as Obama being a closet Muslim and other gutter smears abound. If he doesn't show up, then those smears and characterisations will prevail.

This happened in the last election in WV with Kerry too. He was ahead until smearmongers started posting, pasting and spreading alarmist nonsense about Kerry wanting to ban the Bible and all guns, etc. Just like the Swifties, Kerry foolishly ignored it thinking the voters would figure it out as nonsense. Instead, the voters took the smears as a concession of their truth, and he lost.

It's folly to assume voters will overlook smear as just that, or to think that voters can't be corrected from it. Politicians should always react and define themselves at all times and speak right to the people.
I agree. The people of WV were to lazy or ignorant to be bothered with the truth, instead just believing anything that they saw on t.v. or heard on the radio.

For all the West Virginians out there, did you know that Hillary Clinton and John McCain joined together in an unholy union and became the parents of a demon child?
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That very well may be the case. However, it is Obama's job to get himself to WV more often to explain himself and show some 'face time.' In this primary and the last election, WV is a glaring example where fearmongering disinformation can often win the day. As reported, myths such as Obama being a closet Muslim and other gutter smears abound. If he doesn't show up, then those smears and characterisations will prevail.

This happened in the last election in WV with Kerry too. He was ahead until smearmongers started posting, pasting and spreading alarmist nonsense about Kerry wanting to ban the Bible and all guns, etc. Just like the Swifties, Kerry foolishly ignored it thinking the voters would figure it out as nonsense. Instead, the voters took the smears as a concession of their truth, and he lost.

It's folly to assume voters will overlook smear as just that, or to think that voters can't be corrected from it. Politicians should always react and define themselves at all times and speak right to the people.
Do you think "gutter smears" alone are the problem fro Obama?
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Do you think "gutter smears" alone are the problem fro Obama?
Of course not. But it's much easier to do it with blacks. There is plenty of 'material' to work with there.
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It's occurred to me that this might be the election that finally ends the Reagan coalition. That coalition brought together the real core constituency of the Republican Party (rich capitalists) with a smorgasbord of people who's only connecting link is that they have been voting primarily on social issues, to the right of center. This includes the religious right of course, but also so-called "Reagan Democrats," people who had tended to support the Democrats because of their stand on economic issues, but had a problem with where the Democrats went in the 1970s on abortion, gay rights, gun control, feminism, and so on. It built on the success of the racist-tinged "southern strategy" but added some other social-issue elements besides race to make an election-winning program.

The coalition could only work, though, because a person's political beliefs on social issues and on economic issues are not necessarily connected, and it's possible to be a cultural conservative while also being an economic liberal and/or an environmentalist. Or both. And when economics in the form of maldistribution of wealth, loss of jobs, high prices, and a faltering economy come to the fore, complicated by a miserable and unpopular war; when we find evangelical Christians discovering their inherent greenness as caretakers for God's creation; when we see people worried more about how to pay their bills and send their kids to college and whether their sons or cousins or brothers are going to come back whole from Iraq, than they do about whether women can get legal abortions or whether gay people can get married or whether they can get a concealed-carry permit or have to go through background checks to buy a gun, then the coalition begins to fail.

This could be the end of it. I will certainly hope and work for that end.
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If they were well trained, they would be able to provide reasons why one should vote for Obama. Thus far, if you're any indication, they're only capable of offering reasons why some shouldn't vote for McCain, and incapable of offering reasons to vote for Obama...



One of the main reasons for this is that the media isn't covering McCain with any depth right now. He's got his nomination (so theres no "news" there), while Obama is still fighting for his...
First, I am not an indication. Count me out.

Second, when McCain receives enough media scrutiny, at least half of them will be quite negative. I don't think this will ever help him collect more from individual donors.
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Ah! You tipped you hand....and of course, it is not a "few" of us, but tens of millions who are not on the far left.

That is always the way, isn't it, with the leftist politicians who run on platforms of sentimental hysteria and prattle on about how loving and hopeful they are?

The flip side of all that sloppy leftist sentiment and misty-eyed claptrap is always ruthless contempt for anyone who thinks independently and dares to question or disagree with the secular god beloved by the left.

So at least you have admitted it: there is no place for those who dare to question or disagree with Obama.

Interesting - and quite frightening.
And Barack is not on the far left. His policies are centric and aim at the people of common ground.
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Who cares if Obama doesn't listen to the people he wants to rule, you mean. You can't just disregard people when they disagree with your most deeply held beliefs. Obama's biggest weaknesses are his supporters.
God, thus spoke Hafke! Before jumping at early conclusions, read my post once again and see what I really meant there.
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You are quite right. That's why I emphasize on the fact that Democrats are ready to -- and have already been-- get unified under one strong name: Barack Obama.

I respect Hillary supporters and if just the opposite had happened, they would now find me beside them. Ours is a party of ideals, not ideologies.

It would probably also be a very good idea, to not insult McCain, by referring to him as an "old" ass. The baby boomers, are still the largest population in the United States, & one insults them by referring to them in that way.
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and yet another "cheerleader" thread about Saint Obama and not one post about his policies from his fans....
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