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Old 05-10-2008
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Remember when..........

Back in 1999, when gasoline "soared" to $1.64, there was a guy who thought that was inexcusable, candidate George Bush promised that if elected, we would have substantially lower gasoline prices.

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Mr. Bush was critical of Al Gore in the 2000 campaign for being part of “the administration that’s been in charge” while the “price of gasoline has gone steadily upward.” In December 1999, in the first Republican primary debate, Mr. Bush said President Clinton “must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices.”
Pensito Review » In 1999, Candidate Bush Attacked Dems on Gas Price at $1.64, Demanded Clinton ‘Jawbone’ OPEC - But Now as Price Heads to $4 Bush Does Nothing
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Old 05-11-2008
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Re: Remember when..........

remember when the democrats were politicing to get congress and they said they are going to fix the gas prices??????? pelosi and reed running their suck on how they were going to fix it all ..........done a great job so far prices have increased by a third since they won and there is no end in sight

of course i unlike you use this just for a example of how both parties pander on this subject...you actually hold george bush repsonsible for it cause your partisanship makes you also think when they fuck up your order at drive through its geroge bush's fualt also
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Old 05-11-2008
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As Johnny K would say....I love the smell of democrat desperation....still trying to blame everything on Bush, a President with only 7 months left in office.
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Old 05-11-2008
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Re: Remember when..........

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Back in 1999, when gasoline "soared" to $1.64, there was a guy who thought that was inexcusable, candidate George Bush promised that if elected, we would have substantially lower gasoline prices.
Didn't the Democrts say something about lowering gas prices if they took control of Congress? How's that been workin' out?

The idea that a President; any President, can greatly effect gas prices is silly...
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Old 05-11-2008
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Re: Remember when..........

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Didn't the Democrts say something about lowering gas prices if they took control of Congress? How's that been workin' out?
About as well as I originally thought. When the albeit slim Democratic majority took power, their first major act was to spend a month arguing about a way to send that NON-binding resolution to Bush amounting to nothing more than saying 'We don't like the way you handled this war, but we're not gonna do anything about it.'

And they STILL lost.
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The idea that a President; any President, can greatly effect gas prices is silly...
It is, but the idiot sheep keep falling for it every time, don't they.

Bush tried that too. He even went over, hat in hand, and did that little dance with the Saudi prince and STILL came home empty-handed.

But it seems all I see is, in the posts above yours, an attempt to change the subject of the OP, which is an unkept promise that Bush made.
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Re: Remember when..........

There is indeed one way that the president, if he has the cooperation of Congress, can affect the price of oil: he can work to lower demand. The most immediate way to do that is with improved fuel-economy standards and subsidies and tax breaks for other ways to improve efficiency. Somewhat more long-term is the encouragement of alternative energy. There isn't much that can be done about the supply of oil, but as the demand drops so will the price.
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There is indeed one way that the president, if he has the cooperation of Congress, can affect the price of oil: he can work to lower demand. The most immediate way to do that is with improved fuel-economy standards and subsidies and tax breaks for other ways to improve efficiency. Somewhat more long-term is the encouragement of alternative energy. There isn't much that can be done about the supply of oil, but as the demand drops so will the price.
Actually there is something that can be done about supply, instead of pumping all the in-kind royalties the government receives from gulf oil producers into the ground, they could bring them to market. Sure that would lower oil company profits, but it would also lower the pump price of gas.
No legislation needed, just a simple presidential order............
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Old 05-11-2008
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Want lower gas prices....produce one grade instead of letting these liberal environmental wacko's demand that we have 20 odd grades because of the environment.


You libs want to place blame, look in the mirror. If not for democrats blocking every move in the past to become more depended from outside oil, maybe we wouldn't be paying 4 bucks a gallon.

New Refineries...democrats nope

Nuclear power.....democrats nope

Drilling in Alaska....democrats nope

Drilling in the west coast of Fla in the Gulf...democrats nope

And now you have the balls to cry and whine about Bush? Sooner or later the crows come home to roost. The crows are sitting on the democrats shoulders shitting all over them.

Suck it up, you got what you asked for.
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Re: Remember when..........

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Back in 1999, when gasoline "soared" to $1.64, there was a guy who thought that was inexcusable, candidate George Bush promised that if elected, we would have substantially lower gasoline prices.


Pensito Review » In 1999, Candidate Bush Attacked Dems on Gas Price at $1.64, Demanded Clinton ‘Jawbone’ OPEC - But Now as Price Heads to $4 Bush Does Nothing
If I recall gas was 2.34 a gallon when the dems took control of congress..
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Shit, I'm hoping for $6 gas. Maybe $7.

Time for these stupid fuckers with their cheesy H-2s or F-350 V-10 pickups to pay their share.
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Re: Remember when..........

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Actually there is something that can be done about supply, instead of pumping all the in-kind royalties the government receives from gulf oil producers into the ground, they could bring them to market. Sure that would lower oil company profits, but it would also lower the pump price of gas.
No legislation needed, just a simple presidential order............

I don't understand, are you saying they should take the royalties and taxes and do what exactly? You think they take the oil royalties and not spend the money other crap?
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If I recall gas was 2.34 a gallon when the dems took control of congress..

I also remember in 91 when I left for Africa gas was 79 cent. Funny wasnt there a Bush in office then? So while Clinton was in office we saw a double in gas prices. But some are blaming Bush?
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Shit, I'm hoping for $6 gas. Maybe $7.

Time for these stupid fuckers with their cheesy H-2s or F-350 V-10 pickups to pay their share.
they do pay their share, when they shell out for gas how are they not paying the market price for gasoline that you do?

BTW way, I have a supercharged 5.4-liter, 32-valve V8 and it’s the bomb, I pay for supreme to drive it, that’s on me.
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Re: Remember when..........

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Shit, I'm hoping for $6 gas. Maybe $7.

Time for these stupid fuckers with their cheesy H-2s or F-350 V-10 pickups to pay their share.
Are you suggesting that people who drive large vehicles should pay more per gallon?
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I also remember in 91 when I left for Africa gas was 79 cent. Funny wasnt there a Bush in office then? So while Clinton was in office we saw a double in gas prices. But some are blaming Bush?
yes and the take away here is; they all promise the moon and don't deliver and I am not sure who said it, but congress has a large part to play in this.


As for Bill, he vetoed a house passed bill to drill in anwar, along with having the fed. gov. lock up tons of land. Some may say, hell that would only be tops, 2 million barrels a day. Well its all incremental; 2 million here 2 million there, 10 nuclear reactors here 10 there, and pretty soon you are talking real money.
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