For those who wasnt clear, I no longer refer to Hillary as in this race, she is done. This is between Obama and McCain. Obama will lose the rural vote in the majority of states, he will lose whole states like WV period that are usually democratic states.

We are going to see another "Red" map where only in the cities are blue and the rest of the country red beside a few purple spots.

Obama is going to lose because the democrat party base will not vote for a black man. They rely on the dumb, uneducated poor white trash and hand-out, me me me uneducated poor black people to vote for them. No doubt the black vote is wrapped up but the white votes aren't looking to good.

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Bote OBAMA BIN BIDEN, OTAY!!




I say what many think but fail to say but would like to.

All Obama has to do is start waving around a Bible and make a few appearances with bigoted white pastors and he'll be fine. Oh and he should drink a beer while standing in an old pick up truck with his hunting dog.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

The same people who bash racist preachers like Mr. Wright for painting a racist picture of the US society, now paint a racist picture of the US society in order to spread defeatism in Obama's camp. Pathetic. Did Wright's racism hurt Obama's campaign? No. Because most racists are voting for McCain, anyway. The reason why Obama makes the race for the democrats is not because he is black, it is because he manages to bring black and white together. And he will continue to bring black and white people together, until enough have gathered around him to make him President.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

Well, first - the GOP did indeed run amok with spending in the past few years. But let us not forget that the Dems wrote the book on spending and lax monetary policy and managed to destroy the economy without any GOP help, beginning with the policies of the late 60s and continuing until Reagan pulled the economy out of the cesspool where the Dems had thrown it.

So Democrats whiining about Republican spending is ludicrous. They have no credibility whatsoever.

As for promises: Clinton promised a tax increase. He raised taxes. Reagan and Bush junior promised tax cuts. They cut taxes.

Obama is a bona fide taxoholic. Last year, the Crain's Chicago Business journal ran an article on Obama as one of the most anti-business politicians to come out of Illinois, based on his record.

Now he will have Pelosi, Reid, Leahy, Shumer, Rangel and the rest of that grisly circus join him, and together they will happily slam through tax after tax.

I would like to believe you are correct, but I do not. The economy will be crushed by the most openly anti-business government since Roosevelt.

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

LOL! So your arguement is that you have a problem with Democrats from 50 years ago and that the Republicans of today shouldn't be held accountable? That's creative.

Reagan and Bush cut taxes? Don't you mean deferred taxes to a future generation? I mean that exploding national debt probably isn't going to just disappear.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Democrats from 50 years ago? It should be 60-70 years, and we will now have the most left-wing government since then, which of course will be a disaster.

The national debt has been falling as a percentage of GDP for the last few years, and the annual deficit has been improving sharply. Huge tax increases will, of course, reverse that trend.

You appear to have misunderstood my post. I'm not clear why you responded?

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

"Improving" from what?

It seems that your view of improvement is like, "Johnny only killed 12 nuns last week, that's an improvement from the 15 he killed the week before."

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

WV has been trending GOP for awhile. It was the last holdout, due to its union mining vote, of the 'Southern Strategy' to turn Dixiecrats into Republicans.

The urban/rural thing has always been the case. Party badges may be different, but it's the same. The old Dixiecrat 'Solid South' was just as red. Only the party badge changed during the civil rights era.

Obama has actually done quite well with the white vote IMO. He is ahead in the popular vote in the primary and that didn't happen without huge white support. And it's implausible to assume that most who didn't vote for him did so because he is black.

Some Democrats, yes. But that is also very true of many GOP people and others who won't vote for him in whole or in part because he is black. The 'Southern Strategy' to convert Dixiecrats to the GOP happened in part because many did not want blacks empowered. Similar tactics were used to get 'Reagan Democrats' from the lunchpail crowds.

Lots of changes have been happening, though. 1988 wasn't 1968 and 2008 isn't 1988. What I've seen evolve over the past couple decades has, IMO, been amazing progress all across the country. If someone has asked me in the 1980s whether a black man would have a real shot at being POTUS in 20 years, I would have surely bet no.

Obama may be for blacks what Kennedy was to the Catholics, or he might be what Al Smith (1928 election) was to the Catholics--the first genuine POTUS contender who showed the possibilities for a Catholic to win (Kennedy). The idea that Al Smith would have even been a credible candidate as a Catholic was a cutting edge turning of the page. Despite progress and demographic changes, enough prejudice still existed to help sink him. But, people knew a Catholic could make it given more time and effort, and Kennedy finally broke the ice over residual worries about Catholics. Today, being Catholic is mostly a nonissue.

Obama will do much better than Smith did by all accountings and predictions even if he loses, and I don't foresee long gaps as like before before another credible black person runs for the White House. He may very well win too despite racial voting patterns. And regardless of what one feels about his agendas, IMO, one undeniable benefit if he gets elected will be the American self-image and image abroad of the US in relation to its past. Once that threshold gets crossed, the Constitutional Preamble will be achieved--that if you pursue the ultimate goals in America and its highest offices, you can achieve them, even if you are black or any other race or creed.

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Around 200,000 Irish immigrants served in the Union and Confederate armies in the American Civil War, often forming their own regiments and, at times, fought each other. At Fredericksburg, the Union’s Irish Brigade faced the Irish McMillan's Guards of Cobb's 24th Georgia entrenched in a sunken road behind a stone wall. Ordered to make a suicidal charge, it became one of the most famous events of the Civil War. The re-enactment portrayed in the movie Gods and Generals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVCxEupPag

You referenced the 60's here...
and the the Teddy Roosevelt administration later on. Please try to be more clear in the future.
You'll also notice that the biggest leaps took place when Republicans gained access to the White House. Are you part of the "reality has a liberal bias" crowd?

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

How many white racists do you expect to vote for Obama? Go figure. And you are not bashing racism. You are playing the racist card against the democratic base, just like Mr. Wright played the racist card against your entire society. You think your unfounded allegation that the base of the democratic party is already devided will spread defeatism among the democratic camp. But as I already said, the black racists are going to vote for Obama, and the white racists voted for McCain straight from the beginning. They don't give their vote to a party which accepts a black canditate. That's why racism is the weakest threat to Obama's campaign.

Well, you lost your bet. And your point, as well, since the black racists WILL vote for Obama and this merely suits an argumentation why racism will stop Obama in the end.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

As a ex service memenber?

No wonder...

End of the lesson for the fool.

Look at the other side of the medal... Our country has killed 4000+ of his sons and daughters, which is too bad.

And our country has killed thousands of sons and daughters of the others in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is too bad.

I don't know if I should respect the W-Cheney gang for all the bitterness they caused .

You can hate Bush and Cheney all you want without using the coffins of the fallen as a speech stump.

It's called having a modicum of class and decency. You can do it. Go on, give it a try.

Matt

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Clearly we have different understanding of Patriotism. Mine includes ciritcizing no matter what happens. In my vocabulary, there is no sacredness in a unjust act of barbarism.

Any act of barbarism should be criticized as violanetly as possible. This is the most painful, yet the quickiest way.

Sorry to offend you, if you are really sincere--There are many abusers of true patriotism... But my patriotism tells me not to pay attention to this.

Using coffin pictures of the fallen for a non-political, patriotic cause, which is what I am doing here, is a lot better and ethical than putting those young people in those coffins.