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Once again Obama talking out of his ass.

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As the candidate for the future commander and chief, Barack Obama better get his policies and his history in order. The latest gaffe from the Obama camp – besides one of his advisers meeting with Hamas – is Obama's stance on meeting with Iranian officials.

You may remember during a CNN/YouTube debate, Obama said that he would meet with Iran ... "and the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration — is ridiculous." But now Obama is backtracking on this statement, blaming John McCain for distorting Obama's stance. Too bad for the Obamamaniacs that millions of people saw the debate and know exactly what Obama had to say.

In fact, in Obama's victory speech in North Carolina, he said, "I trust the American people to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did." Only, Obama's speech writer must have forgotten to do a little bit of homework – FDR and Truman didn't talk directly to their enemies. Harry Truman, as you might remember, ended things with an atomic bomb. There's more to it, but the heart of the story is that Obama doesn't know what is appropriate for a commander and chief, and it seems he hasn't been taking notes for the presidents of the past.
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Does this dude have a clue?

Didn't Obama just say last week he wouldn't talk to Hamas because they were a terrorist group? Yet Iran isn't a terrorist country?

As for his history, sounds like he is just a clueless as most libs who re-write history at will.

I believe Harry Turman talked to Japan on the deck of the USS Missouri when they signed a full surrender of war defeated.
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Does this dude have a clue?

Didn't Obama just say last week he wouldn't talk to Hamas because they were a terrorist group? Yet Iran isn't a terrorist country?

As for his history, sounds like he is just a clueless as most libs who re-write history at will.

I believe Harry Turman talked to Japan on the deck of the USS Missouri when they signed a full surrender of war defeated.
More Obama spin in every direction depending on who he is talking to.

BTW. Unless I am wrong, Truman was not on the USS Missouri. Gen. MacArthur accepted the surrender
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Boortz actually needs the history lesson, though. FDR did indeed talk plenty with Hitler and Japan. It just didn't work out. That happens. Actually, by talking with them, it helped confirm that war was inevitable. That is the benefit of genuine talks--sometimes war can be avoided and sometimes it cannot. It may improve cold relations or leave them as they stand. The error is thinking talk will either always solve or not solve a problem. As Teddy took from an African proverb: "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
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Does this dude have a clue?

Didn't Obama just say last week he wouldn't talk to Hamas because they were a terrorist group? Yet Iran isn't a terrorist country?

As for his history, sounds like he is just a clueless as most libs who re-write history at will.

I believe Harry Turman talked to Japan on the deck of the USS Missouri when they signed a full surrender of war defeated.
Your logic is so flawed it could only come from someone in a desperate political situation like the Republicans are right now.

As O'sullivan pointed out your source is wrong. I'm also pointing out that your wrong in your analysis. A Terrorist group does not equal a legitimate nation state recognized by the world. How can you make these types of correlations? BTW when was there a terrorist attack attributed to Iran? Maybe I missed it.
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Your logic is so flawed it could only come from someone in a desperate political situation like the Republicans are right now.

As O'sullivan pointed out your source is wrong. I'm also pointing out that your wrong in your analysis. A Terrorist group does not equal a legitimate nation state recognized by the world. How can you make these types of correlations? BTW when was there a terrorist attack attributed to Iran? Maybe I missed it.

Maybe because you have never been to Iraq and seen first hand the demo and devices made in Iran in the form a IED that has killed thousands of troops and cillivans. Or ever had to walk a patrol to come under fire and after the firefight find military docs and ID's on the KIA from Iran.

So its OK with you that Iran has a hand in killing our troops and Obama wants to talk to them instead threatening them to either get the hell out of Iraq or face bombardment of Tehran.
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Maybe because you have never been to Iraq and seen first hand the demo and devices made in Iran in the form a IED that has killed thousands of troops and cillivans. Or ever had to walk a patrol to come under fire and after the firefight find military docs and ID's on the KIA from Iran.

So its OK with you that Iran has a hand in killing our troops and Obama wants to talk to them instead threatening them to either get the hell out of Iraq or face bombardment of Tehran.
So you're now an expert on identifying Iranian arms after detonation?
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Boortz actually needs the history lesson, though. FDR did indeed talk plenty with Hitler and Japan. It just didn't work out. That happens. Actually, by talking with them, it helped confirm that war was inevitable. That is the benefit of genuine talks--sometimes war can be avoided and sometimes it cannot. It may improve cold relations or leave them as they stand. The error is thinking talk will either always solve or not solve a problem. As Teddy took from an African proverb: "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

Wrong...they were not our enemies until they declared war.

I believe Hitler wanted us as a Ally or for us to stay out of the war. He did not want to go to war with us until we started helping Britain.

Japan had PM in Washington and we were in the process of signing non-aggression pact right up until Pearl Harbor. You dont sign this agreement with a nation you consider your enemy. Japan and USA had good relationship for years before WW2. Unlike Iran.

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Your logic is so flawed it could only come from someone in a desperate political situation like the Republicans are right now.

As O'sullivan pointed out your source is wrong. I'm also pointing out that your wrong in your analysis. A Terrorist group does not equal a legitimate nation state recognized by the world. How can you make these types of correlations? BTW when was there a terrorist attack attributed to Iran? Maybe I missed it.
Indeed. Canada, for example, hasn't had a warm relationship with Iran. In fact, it's been quite chilly too, part of which stems from Canadian assistance of American hostages when the Islamic regime started. However, it does have formal diplomatic relations with it as do most nations.

One setback by the US not having diplomatic relations with Iran is the loss of trade that other nations pick up, most of all oil. 56% of Iran’s oil exports head to Asia (Japan and China getting 1/3 of Iran's oil overall) and 29% to Europe. The U.S. gets cut out.
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Wrong...they were not our enemies until they declared war.

I believe Hilter wanted us as Allies or for us to stay out of the war, he did not want to go to war with us until we started helping Britian.

Japan had PM in Washington and we were in the process of signing non-aggression pact right up until Pearl Harbor. You dont sign this agreement with a nation you consider your enemies. Japan and USA had good relationship for years before WW2. Unlike Iran.
Looks like some of our membership need history lessons as well...
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So you're now an expert on identifying Iranian arms after detonation?
Nope but the Army has the best. I have watched the engineers put the devise back together after denotation. I have also had my squad search enemy dead and I have seen first hand Iranian Military ID's who were wearing civilian clothing.

I have also talked with Iraqis who have said they had seen and talked to Iranian soldiers.
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Show me where I am wrong.
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Does this dude have a clue?

Didn't Obama just say last week he wouldn't talk to Hamas because they were a terrorist group? Yet Iran isn't a terrorist country?

As for his history, sounds like he is just a clueless as most libs who re-write history at will.

I believe Harry Turman talked to Japan on the deck of the USS Missouri when they signed a full surrender of war defeated.
Obama said that he would unconditionally sit down and talk with all of America's enemies: Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and even Syria, the home state of Hamas.

It's fairly clear to me that Obama is just playing damage control and expelling the guy because the public found out about what he was doing, not because of it.
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Wrong...they were not our enemies until they declared war.

I believe Hilter wanted us as Allies or for us to stay out of the war, he did not want to go to war with us until we started helping Britian.

Japan had PM in Washington and we were in the process of signing non-aggression pact right up until Pearl Harbor. You dont sign this agreement with a nation you consider your enemies. Japan and USA had good relationship for years before WW2. Unlike Iran.
That's spinning it recklessly. If a declaration of war is the definition of an enemy, then Iran is not an enemy because there is no declaration of war with it. You (and/or Boortz) can't have it both ways like that.

The US relations with Japan steadily deteriorated with Imperial Japan long before Pearl Harbor. It got really bad following the Rape of Nanking and the invasion of Indochina, which led to the US cutting off its ability to get oil that Japan needed for its war machine, leading to the war.

Hitler wanted to keep the US out of the war, at least until Europe was secured. Long term he pondered it, as he disliked the US as a capitalistic society of Jews and mongrels in his eyes. FDR supported the British in things like the Lend-Lease Act, leasing ports, giving anti-submarine information to the Allies, etc. That aggravated Hitler, but he still wished to bide his time with the US.

What got Hitler into the war was his stupid Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, who made a reckless boasting comment to the Japanese ambassador to Germany where he promised that if Japan attacked the US that Germany would likewise declare war. He made the promise without obtaining a reciprocal promise that Japan would declare war on the Soviet Union.

Japan then negotiated a neutrality pact with the Soviets to free its hand to attack the US, which in turn it did and called upon Germany to live up to its promise. The German charge d'affairs in Washington, Hans Thomsen, wired Germany following Pearl Harbor stating that much sentiment existed to fight only Japan to avoid a two front war, but Hitler rejected that counselling, feeling that the US had antagonised Germany long enough and that the time was right to put the US down by also declaring war on it. Hitler was wrong, though, as the two front war actually hurt him more than it did the US given the situation on the battlefields and Germany's location vis-a-vis the US geographically.

In both cases the Japanese and the Germans declared war on the US, not the other way around.
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I think the far right can't understand why Obama isn't trying to be more like Bush, after all, you couldn't fit a razor blade between McCain and Bush's positions, and the right believes that most of the country is behind Bush, so they think if Obama is to have a chance, he has to parrot every stupid Bush position, like McCain does............
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That's spinning it recklessly. If a declaration of war is the definition of an enemy, then Iran is not an enemy because there is no declaration of war with it. You (and/or Boortz) can't have it both ways like that.

The US relations with Japan steadily deteriorated with Imperial Japan long before Pearl Harbor. It got really bad following the Rape of Nanking and the invasion of Indochina, which led to the US cutting off oil that Japan needed for its war machine, leading to the war.

Hitler wanted to keep the US out of the war, at least until Europe was secured. Long term he pondered it, as he disliked the US as a capitalistic society of Jews and mongrels in his eyes. FDR supported the British in things like the Lend-Lease Act, leasing ports, giving anti-submarine information to the Allies, etc. That aggravated Hitler, but he still wished to bide his time with the US.

What got Hitler into the war was his stupid Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, who made a reckless boasting comment to the Japanese embassador to Germany where he promised that if Japan attacked the US that Germany would likewise declare war. He made the promise without obtaining a reciprocal promise that Japan would declare war on the Soviet Union.

Japan then negotiated a neutrality pact with the Soviets to free its hand to attack the US, which in turn it did and called upon Germany to live up to its promise. The German charge d'affairs in Washington, Hans Thomsen, wired Germany following Pearl Harbor stating that much sentiment existed to fight only Japan to avoid a two front war, but Hitler rejected that counselling, feeling that the US had antagonised Germany long enough and that the time was right to put the US down by also declaring war on it. Hitler was wrong, though, as the two front war actually hurt him more than it did the US given the situation on the battlefields and Germany's location vis-a-vis the US geographically.

In both cases the Japanese and the Germans declared war on the US, not the other way around.
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