I have no idea what that means...

It should have been handled in such a way that we both could have discussed it mannerly and yet never given way to what is happening today: Vandalism, bomb-threats etc...

Some people might have thought that if they had seen the pictures, yes. But my post was not about Bush or people voting about Bush, it even was not about voting at all. It was about censorship and how the political right uses it to make them look better.
So forgive if I say that nine out of ten times I heard someone screaming for censorship on this board, this came out of the right corner. In the contrary to that, Sherriff did not demand that the media stopped airing the kooky speeches of Mr. Wright. What he wanted is that the media is forced to put the real issue of this forward, namely wether the "values" and "thoughts" Mr. Wright announces in these "speeches" have infected Barack Obama's view of the world or not.

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"I think that gay marriage should be allowed."
- John McCain on an episode of Hardball, 2006, before the commercial break

"I do not believe that gay marriage should be legal."
- John McCain on the same episode of Hardball, after the commercial break

"John McCain does not speak for the John McCain campaign."
- Tucker Bounds, Spokesman of the John McCain presidential campaign.

The straight talk express. You gotta love it.

Racist sentiment?.....What a surprise!

Hmmm....

Well, I would tell fear and hate-mongerers like Wright to keep their mouths closed, stop making fools of themselves and scuttle off to their mansions.

I would tell people of all colors to be very careful before pointing fingers at others and accusing each other of racism without proof.

I would stop the patronizing claptrap that accuses anyone who dares to question the Beloved One of overt, covert, passive, active, conscious or unconscious racism.

In other words - if Obama wants to be president, his devotees will not help him by insulting and ridiculing potential voters. Those who have been smeared with mud tend to remember this at voting time. Obama needs votes - not the other way around. It is not up to voters to win his approval: quite the opposite.

And I would remind all Obama worshipers and assorted cult members that passive aggressive anger is still anger, however sugar coated in high-minded rhetoric and ornate left-wing lectures - and that no one likes to be patronized.

No dount we are in agreement with all of this?

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"Our fears in Banquo
Stick deep; in his royalty of nature
Reigns that which would be fear'd: 'tis much he dares;
And, to that dauntless temper of his mind,
He hath a wisdom that doth guide his valour
To act in safety."

Macbeth 3:1

You do realize I am a black man right?

Naively are you saying that I havent already heard the names attached to black people not voting Obama.

I do see how this makes people being attacked want to attack the candidate they oppose. How do I know this, well not by using your faulty logic, but because I have been on the end of the name calling from family and friends and it help fuel my dislike even more.

So before you make ASSumptions, know what the hell you are talking about before hand.

So now we should "force" the media to report certain things?

Well, at least that way, the libs will get more of their much-dreamed of socialism: State-run television...

how about the moon landing too? You know, the one done in my sisters basement, in super 8?

good grief...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

Once again I find myself saying the same thing regarding "racism"....perceived racism is a helluva alot more active than actual racism today - perceived racism, and the victimization that goes along with it - cause faaaar more harm to blacks than real racism.
In fact - perceived racism is what keeps the two races from finally meeting in the middle - whites are CLEARLY more ready to accept blacks as 100% equals than blacks are ready to accept themselves as being equals.

This is just another example of the same.

I can only reflect my personal opinion. Obama' campaign, through trying to ignore and put himself above the social element of this historic race has done more harm than good in this country. Obama's race (And Hillary's sex BTW) are elements of their campaigns and to dismiss that fact shows a total lack of reality.

In Obama's case, by trying to make his candidacy one that is above discussions of social differences, he has just created an environment where is saying anything, no matter how factual and what context, may get you labeled as a racist. For example, when someone asks why the white working class segment of a state is voting a certain way based on polling data, you should be asking what is driving this trend, not accusing the person stating the facts as being a racist.

Obviously, there are racists out there in all segments of our society. To assume that everyone who acknolwledges that there is a racial element in this Presidency is a racist, however, is in my mind is a clueless elitest at best.

Conversations that should be happening in this race have been stifled. Stifled conversations causes suspicion and separation.

Sure there will always be a minut minority in this country that will refuse to vote for a black person. But put the shoe on the other foot too. Why is it that Obama is getting over 90% of the black vote. Along the same lines, someone could say that they're racist against whites?

But, who really started the race issue in this campaign? It did not exist until all got to hear from Barack Obama's 20 year pastor Wright. I imagine, especially in the midwest of this country, that there were supporters of Obama, who turned their backs on him, when they heard Pastor Wright's racist & hateful comments toward this country. I imagine some of the Obama campaigners saw that anger in Indiana. No suprise.

It is still sad that racism is America still can be transformed into violence.

Perhaps if you cited some examples of this violence you keep talking about, it might further the disucussion.

Matt

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that school gymnasium fight between several hundred black and Hispanics? Oops no that’s not it...

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)

This is damned if you do, damned if you don't of the highest degree. If Obama had made his whole candidacy about his racial identity many would be saying "yeah you're black but why should we vote for you?" He never put himself "above" race, that's a media narrative. He has always talked about his background, he wrote a whole BOOK about the complexities of being half black and half white in America. What I think you mean is that he has not tried to exploit his race. He's never gone to black people and said, vote for me or else? He's never accused anyone in this campaign of being racist, even when on occasion they were.

All of those things were intentional I might add. Obama had a strategy around race and its a strategy white politicians never have to worry about. No one is going to have the kind of fearful reaction towards the prospect of a white candidate that some Americans have towards a black one. That. is. fact. So Obama not only has to make a case to the American people on why he'd be a good president, he has to constantly assuage the fears of a jumpy electorate that can only handle a very limited spectrum of "Blackness" in their public officials. The name Barack Obama is a big stretch as it is, and we've seen people try and race bait with his middle name already. Rev. Wright is another example. We don't care when Falwell et al are linked to Bush, it actually GAINS him constituents in alot of places. Also, no one would ever listen to Falwell and say, "that's what Bush thinks." But when it comes to black people it seems, we're judged as a whole not as individuals so Obama has to answer for this other man, who isn't running for office.

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Yesterday, John McCain actually said that if he’s president he’ll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys’ network in Washington.' I’m not making this up. This is somebody been in Congress for 26 years, who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now he tells us that he’s the one who’s gonna take on the old boys' network,” he said. “In the McCain campaign that’s called a staff meeting!- Obama, 9/17/2008

Hell, Barack Obama could campaign on a platform to sell the United States to Luxemborg, and there would be people who'd say he lost because he's black...