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Old 05-14-2008
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

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It is still sad that racism is America still can be transformed into violence.

You mean like Sharpton calling to shut down the streets of NY by force?

Or how about the many riots he has taken part of where innocent people have been killed over race?

Seems to me he is a Democrat.

Or we could talk about your buddy Robert Byrd. Wonder how many lynching he took part of? Long time democratic senator who still to this day uses the word NIGGER.
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

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Perhaps if you cited some examples of this violence you keep talking about, it might further the disucussion.

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vandalism

name-calling

bomb-threats

etc...
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

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vandalism

name-calling

bomb-threats

etc...
Good heavens... NAME CALLING???

That's funny.

Anything, you know, specific?
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

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You mean like Sharpton calling to shut down the streets of NY by force?

Or how about the many riots he has taken part of where innocent people have been killed over race?

Seems to me he is a Democrat.

Or we could talk about your buddy Robert Byrd. Wonder how many lynching he took part of? Long time democratic senator who still to this day uses the word NIGGER.
These are simply acts of barbarism.

Like the ones committed against Obama campaign...
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These are simply acts of barbarism.

Like the ones committed against Obama campaign...
Please lists specifics. Repeating such things, without offering anything to back them up, is a waste of time...
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These are scarry. May God protect our country from these fanatics:

[quote]Racist Attacks on Obama Growing More Heated | Hatewatch
With the selection of Barack Obama as the first black Democratic nominee for president seeming more possible by the day, racists and white supremacists are posting increasingly ugly and even threatening remarks on the Internet.

“OBAMA WILL DIE, KKK FOREVER,” concludes a Feb. 15 post by “Rodney” to a blog run by a person identified only as Strider333. Above that signoff, Rodney wrote: “The KKK or someone WILL assassinate Obama! If we get a NIGGER President all you NIGGER’s [sic] will think you’ve won and that the WHITE people will have to bow to you[.] FUCK THAT.”

On traditional white supremacist and neo-Nazi sites there are lengthy discussion threads about what would happen if Obama were elected president. Dozens of those posts are derogatory and employ all kinds of racist slurs. Others speculate that such an Obama victory would kick off a race war between whites and blacks. And some even raise the possibility that he could be assassinated. But talk like that is rare and extremely careful — probable evidence that the “white nationalists” who inhabit these sites are deeply concerned that their comments are being monitored by law enforcement for any criminal threat relating to the presidential race. In fact, Obama reportedly received federal Secret Service protection unusually early in the campaign season because of concerns about a racially motivated attack.

The most heated anti-Obama talk appears to be on Internet sites that allow people to post messages anonymously. One such site, JD Underground, is a list ostensibly devoted to lawyers, although further details were not available. It has carried a particularly venomous thread, entitled “Nigger President,” that has stretched from January into this month.

“I’m hoping someone will do his public duty of putting a bullet through Obama’s head,” said a poster identified as “Kill Da Nigga.” Another poster suggests “bring[ing] back lynchings” and concludes with a warning: “LOOK OUT NIGGER. THE KLAN IS GETTING BIGGER!!!!!!” And a third, using the screen name “amerikkkan,” says only, “The deep south is making plans.”[quote]

Another examples:

Vandals Hit Obama Campaign Headquarters in Texas | WOAI.COM: San Antonio News

KLTV 7 News Tyler, Longview, Jacksonville |Vandals Spray Paint Gregg County Obama Headquarters And Vehicles

Digg - Obama Indiana campaign office vandalized -- again

Vandal Throws Barricade Through Obama Campaign Window - America’s Election HQ

Star-Telegram.com: | 05/06/2008 | 3 Obama campaign offices searched after bomb threat

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1656139.story

Is this democracy in America?
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

I think Sheriff is forgetting that White Nationals are supporting Obama. Its OK to be a racist as long as you support Obama.

You might notice how he explains away Sharptons violence and other democrats, has nothing to say about Wright racism or excuses it, but anyone else who is against Obama for President, they are scary.

What I find scary is that so many white people are willing to vote for a man who has said he distrusts whites and has a preacher who is a racist.
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

Indiana? Texas? State's that went to Hillary.
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

What I think is that a lot of people -- disproportionately on the right politically -- are incapable of thinking about race logically and without defensiveness. This thread is a perfect example.

Reading through Sherriff's OP, NOT ONCE did I see him so much as HINT that anyone opposing Obama does so for racist reasons. The entire post was about actual incidents of racism, blatant and overt, that have been encountered by Obama campaign workers. Nor have I seen him suggest that in any subsequent post, and indeed I can't recall a time when he has ever suggested that in any post on any thread. (He's suggested some other things that I've disagreed with and thought over the top, but not that.)

Yet in responses to it, several posters have immediately jumped on the defensive and accused him, falsely and without a scrap of justification, of saying that all opposition to Obama is racist.

Now here's the big question, if you dare ask it: Why did you do that? The accusation was never made here. Why did you immediately go on the defensive against a foe that was nowhere in sight?
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This is damned if you do, damned if you don't of the highest degree. If Obama had made his whole candidacy about his racial identity many would be saying "yeah you're black but why should we vote for you?" He never put himself "above" race, that's a media narrative. He has always talked about his background, he wrote a whole BOOK about the complexities of being half black and half white in America. What I think you mean is that he has not tried to exploit his race. He's never gone to black people and said, vote for me or else? He's never accused anyone in this campaign of being racist, even when on occasion they were.
Actually, I mean that in many ways he has been very complacent regarding the whole issue around race in this election while his campaign has (at least) done little to discourage frank conversation there of. I reflect on Geraldine Ferraro's comments regarding Obama's race being an element of his Presidential race. Immediately, she was labeled a racist for stating a true fact. I saw little evidence of Obama's campaign to prevent attacks like this. Good and bad, Obama's race is an element of his campaign, the same way Hillary's sex is an element of hers. This factor should be embraced and discussed (I agree it should not be exploited).

Forcing people to avoid this reality in their conversations deprives us all in having honest frank conversations regarding what each candidate can uniquely bring to this historic Presidential race. It also foster's resentment and distrust, leaving all the condidates open to real racial attacks no matter how fictional or contrived the causal.
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

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Racist Attacks on Obama Growing More Heated | Hatewatch
With the selection of Barack Obama as the first black Democratic nominee for president seeming more possible by the day, racists and white supremacists are posting increasingly ugly and even threatening remarks on the Internet.

“OBAMA WILL DIE, KKK FOREVER,” concludes a Feb. 15 post by “Rodney” to a blog run by a person identified only as Strider333. Above that signoff, Rodney wrote: “The KKK or someone WILL assassinate Obama! If we get a NIGGER President all you NIGGER’s [sic] will think you’ve won and that the WHITE people will have to bow to you[.] FUCK THAT.”
Hmmm. Sounds like something that could have been posted by an Obama supporter, who would then reference it as evidence of bigotry against Obama....

Good thing we don't know anyone with a past record of doing that sort of thing, right, Sheriff?

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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

On the other hand, it also sounds like something that could have been posted by a white-supremacist nut-job. We still do have a few people like that.

Once again: Why is it that nobody seems able to take on the thread topic? Sherriff is asserting that Obama campaign workers are encountering overt racism, and hence that overt racism still exists in this country. He is also asserting, at least in the thread title, that this racism represents a "rising tide," i.e. that it is growing.

Instead of shooting down straw men, why not deal with these questions?
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Re: The Rising Tide of Racism in American Politics

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On the other hand, it also sounds like something that could have been posted by a white-supremacist nut-job. We still do have a few people like that.

Once again: Why is it that nobody seems able to take on the thread topic? Sherriff is asserting that Obama campaign workers are encountering overt racism, and hence that overt racism still exists in this country. He is also asserting, at least in the thread title, that this racism represents a "rising tide," i.e. that it is growing.

Instead of shooting down straw men, why not deal with these questions?
It's sad to say, but it seems our Republican brothers and sisters are left with little more than shooting down strawmen and spreading hatred and fear as political tactics. Oh, how far they have fallen.
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It's sad to say, but it seems our Republican brothers and sisters are left with little more than shooting down strawmen and spreading hatred and fear as political tactics. Oh, how far they have fallen.


Nope, nothing partisan to see here, folks...move along.

Now on topic. Anyone who thinks that there is no overt racism in the USA is a blind fool. Anyone who thinks there was no overt racism before BO starting running is a blind fool.

And, anyone who thinks it's rising or falling should post some numbers supporting that claim. Their words, especially considering past tactics used, don't cut it.
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Nope, nothing partisan to see here, folks...move along.

Now on topic. Anyone who thinks that there is no overt racism in the USA is a blind fool. Anyone who thinks there was no overt racism before BO starting running is a blind fool.

And, anyone who thinks it's rising or falling should post some numbers supporting that claim. Their words, especially considering past tactics used, don't cut it.
Yeah partisan, so what? Is this or is this not a political forum? And of course, I'm the only one who posts anything "partisan" right Si? Gimme a freakin' break.
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